On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:26:25PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
> I've got an Intel D865GBFL that I purchase from Daktech in March 2006.
> It still runs, but I'm stuck on F14.
> I haven't been able to get F16 to install or F17 to run right.
> It uses a pentium 4, so some think its ancient.

in recent RHEL (haven't investigated Fedora, but it may be the same)
RH is providing ONLY the PAT kernel, which means of course, your
CPU must support PAT. I suppose it's possible that a 6 year-old
P4 may not.

I'm running a newer AMD processor here, so this may not apply to
your CPU, but when I do "cat /proc/cpuinfo" I get (among other things)
this output:

flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc pni cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate [8]

which lists pae near the start of the list. I'd suspect you could tell
whether your P4 supports it or not by doing the same.

Fred

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On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 13:49 -0400, fred smith wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:26:25PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> >
> > I've got an Intel D865GBFL that I purchase from Daktech in March 2006.
> > It still runs, but I'm stuck on F14.
> > I haven't been able to get F16 to install or F17 to run right.
> > It uses a pentium 4, so some think its ancient.
>
> in recent RHEL (haven't investigated Fedora, but it may be the same)
> RH is providing ONLY the PAT kernel, which means of course, your
> CPU must support PAT. I suppose it's possible that a 6 year-old
> P4 may not.
>
> I'm running a newer AMD processor here, so this may not apply to
> your CPU, but when I do "cat /proc/cpuinfo" I get (among other things)
> this output:
>
> flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc pni cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate [8]
>
> which lists pae near the start of the list. I'd suspect you could tell
> whether your P4 supports it or not by doing the same.
>
> Fred
>
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> ---- Fred Smith -- fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us -----------------------------
> "And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father,
> Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government there will be no end. He
> will reign on David's throne and over his kingdom, establishing and upholding
> it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever."
> ------------------------------- Isaiah 9:7 (niv) ------------------------------

I'm running F17 PAE kernel on a Dell Inspirion 1000 (2ghz Celleron) I've
chosen XFCE as my desktop. May be your desktop choice is too fat.

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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 05:35:40PM +1000, Gary Hodder wrote:
>
> Am looking at the Gigabyte ga-990fxa-d3, does this board play well with
> Linux as looking at putting it in what was the m4a79t box.
>

I have owned a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P since Jan 2009; it has never broken
down, neither has it ever given me driver troubles. I have been using it
as a workstation/light server since I bought it. It even survived a
trans-atlantic move! But beware, they don't officially support Linux,
although they do have OS independent utilites for backing up and
flashing BIOSes.

HTH

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I have owned tyan dual PIII (still working under freebsd); msi dual amd (working under CentOS), GA-EP35-UD3L (F17), GA-P55-US3L. The Only problems what i had were related to drivers for rtl 811x.x chipsets under centos. Asus laptops have problems with standby mode. But with little hacking can work well. Sometime laptop fan can be noisy in current kernels.


On Jul 12, 2012 9:06 PM, "Suvayu Ali" <fatkasuvayu+linux@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 05:35:40PM +1000, Gary Hodder wrote:

>

> Am looking at the Gigabyte ga-990fxa-d3, does this board play well with

> Linux as looking at putting it in what was the m4a79t box.

>



I have owned a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P since Jan 2009; it has never broken

down, neither has it ever given me driver troubles. I have been using it

as a workstation/light server since I bought it. It even survived a

trans-atlantic move! But beware, they don't officially support Linux,

although they do have OS independent utilites for backing up and

flashing BIOSes.



HTH



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On Thu, 12 Jul 2012, Terry Polzin wrote:


On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 13:49 -0400, fred smith wrote:

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:26:25PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>
> I've got an Intel D865GBFL that I purchase from Daktech in March 2006.

> It still runs, but I'm stuck on F14.
> I haven't been able to get F16 to install or F17 to run right.
> It uses a pentium 4, so some think its ancient.

in recent RHEL (haven't investigated Fedora, but it may be the same)
RH is providing ONLY the PAT kernel, which means of course, your
CPU must support PAT. I suppose it's possible that a 6 year-old
P4 may not.

I'm running a newer AMD processor here, so this may not apply to
your CPU, but when I do "cat /proc/cpuinfo" I get (among other things)
this output:

flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc pni cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps hwpstate [8]

which lists pae near the start of the list. I'd suspect you could tell
whether your P4 supports it or not by doing the same.


pat is in my flags list.


I'm running F17 PAE kernel on a Dell Inspirion 1000 (2ghz Celleron) I've
chosen XFCE as my desktop. May be your desktop choice is too fat.


F16 doesn't get that far.
On F17, I did choose XFCE.

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On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 07:47:20PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2012, Terry Polzin wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 2012-07-12 at 13:49 -0400, fred smith wrote:
> >>On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 12:26:25PM -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I've got an Intel D865GBFL that I purchase from Daktech in March 2006.
> >>> It still runs, but I'm stuck on F14.
> >>> I haven't been able to get F16 to install or F17 to run right.
> >>> It uses a pentium 4, so some think its ancient.
> >>
> >>in recent RHEL (haven't investigated Fedora, but it may be the same)
> >>RH is providing ONLY the PAT kernel, which means of course, your
> >>CPU must support PAT. I suppose it's possible that a 6 year-old
> >>P4 may not.
> >>
> >>I'm running a newer AMD processor here, so this may not apply to
> >>your CPU, but when I do "cat /proc/cpuinfo" I get (among other things)
> >>this output:
> >>
> >>flags : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge
> >>mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext
> >>fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm 3dnowext 3dnow constant_tsc nonstop_tsc pni
> >>cx16 popcnt lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8legacy abm sse4a
> >>misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt ts ttp tm stc 100mhzsteps
> >>hwpstate [8]
> >>
> >>which lists pae near the start of the list. I'd suspect you could tell
> >>whether your P4 supports it or not by doing the same.
>
> pat is in my flags list.

did I really type "PAT"?? man, I gotta go back and read these things
before I send 'em out. I mean "PAE"!


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On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Gary Hodder <vk2kcf@vk2kcf.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am wondering what motherboards users are using on there Linux box?
> I had a Asus m4a79t delux but in corroded under 2 years and failed.
> Asus blames the customer oxidation and will not give warranty even
> though it has 3 years warranty.
> Strange how a old p5 Intel machine beside it is perfectly fine.
> Asus warranty not worth the paper its written on.
> Have a Asus crosshair V formula that spent more times being repaired
> than been used.
> It still comes up with eprom errors on boot and runs like a dog and Asus
> will not give money back as they say they do not support Linux.
> So we have proved that this brand is crap, what else is there?
>
> Am looking at the Gigabyte ga-990fxa-d3, does this board play well with
> Linux as looking at putting it in what was the m4a79t box.
>
> Thanks
> Gary.
>

Take a good look at the LAN driver for that board. If it is the new 1
GiB onboard Realtek then you might have trouble with it in Linux. I
just went through hell with an Asus board with the new Realtek onboard
LAN and I was going to swap it out for a Gigabyte board (at my own
expense) before realising that the Gigabytes also have the same
component.

Even Windows won't get online with that LAN before installing the
driver disk. So that is a good way to check if you know someone with
the board running Windows.

Whatever you do, make sure that the board you buy has a PCI slot. The
stupid Asus board in question didn't even have a PCI slot for me to
install a replacement LAN card into! I'll never make that mistake
again!

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Tom Wroblewski wrote:

> I use ASUS mobo's all my builds for years without one problem, then again
> I may be the lucky one. My most recent Sabertooth mobo is excellent, with
> AMD FX-8150.
> Before discounting any manufacturers boards, read the reviews on Newegg
> and Tigerdirect first. Easy way to see how a board rates.
>
> Peter Gueckel <pgueckel@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>I have had 2 different Asus motherboards over the years, and I always had
>>intermittent and difficult to assess problems.

One other thing I should add to the considerations one ought to keep in mind when
buying a motherboard is the quality of the BIOS program.

With the ASUS and ASRock motherboards I have had, I noticed that the BIOS setup
program was very difficult and ambiguous to understand. I got the impression that
the settings were all poor translations and often left me puzzled.

With the Intel motherboard, I was greeted by a menu composed of very professional
and well-written settings and explanations. I find good and unambiguous use of
English in the manuals and setup to be a factor worth considering.


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On 07/11/2012 03:35 AM, Gary Hodder wrote:

Hi all,

I am wondering what motherboards users are using on there Linux box?
I had a Asus m4a79t delux but in corroded under 2 years and failed.
Asus blames the customer oxidation and will not give warranty even
though it has 3 years warranty.




Am looking at the Gigabyte ga-990fxa-d3, does this board play well with
Linux as looking at putting it in what was the m4a79t box.


I'm a bit late to this party. I've been enjoying the birth of my first
grandchild so I've been offline for a few days.


I like the Gigagbyte boards, but I have to say I"ve picked up a couple
of incredible ASRock boards. (I'm not sure if those are ASUS boards or
not. But I have a A770DE+ with a Phenom II x6, 8GB RAM and it runs as
cool as I've ever seen. The heat sink isn't any bigger than most and I
have that one sitting underneath a desk that doesn't get a lot of air
flow.



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On 07/12/2012 12:05 PM, Suvayu Ali issued this missive::

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 05:35:40PM +1000, Gary Hodder wrote:


Am looking at the Gigabyte ga-990fxa-d3, does this board play well with
Linux as looking at putting it in what was the m4a79t box.


We're a big Linux shop here and we used Dells, SuperMicro, HP and IBM.
Personally, I've used a lot of boards with differing results, mostly
good. Currently I have a Shuttle FN78S (Athlon X2) and an MSI
785GTM-E45 (MS-7549) (AMD Phenom X4). Both work quite well, although
the front USB ports on the Shuttle drop out.
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