Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
Thanks
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01-14-2008, 03:31 PM
"Michael Marsh"
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On Jan 14, 2008 11:21 AM, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich
<ebanutiy.ebanatik.ebanatovich@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
> posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
> create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
The 5100 hits from
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Alists.debian.org+%22top+post ing%22&btnG=Search&lr=
should answer your question.
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01-14-2008, 03:32 PM
Ron Johnson
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On 01/14/08 10:21, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich wrote:
> Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
> posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
> create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
Rationality, because while some cultures read left->right, and
others read right->left, all read top->bottom. None read bottom->top.
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01-14-2008, 08:03 PM
"Dotan Cohen"
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On 14/01/2008, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich
<ebanutiy.ebanatik.ebanatovich@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
> posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
> create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
> Thanks
>
You should read this:
http://what-is-what.com/what_is/top_posting.html
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
01-14-2008, 08:57 PM
Alex Samad
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:32:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 01/14/08 10:21, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich wrote:
> > Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
> > posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
> > create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
>
> Rationality, because while some cultures read left->right, and
> others read right->left, all read top->bottom. None read bottom->top.
[flame on]
but we do read chronologically (in date order) and I for one hate having to go
3 pages down to read the answer to the previous email (in a threaded news
reader!).
Although I do admit that if you start in the last email of a thread it easier
to read top to bottom
[flame off]
>
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> because I hate vegetables!"
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01-14-2008, 09:07 PM
David
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Alex Samad wrote:
On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:32:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 01/14/08 10:21, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich wrote:
Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
Rationality, because while some cultures read left->right, and
others read right->left, all read top->bottom. None read bottom->top.
[flame on]
but we do read chronologically (in date order) and I for one hate having to go
3 pages down to read the answer to the previous email (in a threaded news
reader!).
Although I do admit that if you start in the last email of a thread it easier
to read top to bottom
I think that different date formats are employed even in different
English speaking countries.
As far as top-posting is concerned, in order to assist the OP - two
words - 'Logical Progression'.
Especially within a problem resolving format, such as this list,
top-posting supplies a complete, step by step history of the situation
from initial problem to final solution.
Of course, the lazy way is just to read the top of the exchange and grab
the solution, but: this means that no level of understanding is achieved
by the reader; the reader doesn't have the opportunity to contribute to
the situation; bottom-up posting doesn't contribute to efficient
archiving; and Debian, at least from my experience, isn't in the market
of catering to laziness.
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01-14-2008, 09:13 PM
Ron Johnson
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On 01/14/08 15:57, Alex Samad wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:32:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 01/14/08 10:21, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich wrote:
>>> Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
>>> posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
>>> create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
> Rationality, because while some cultures read left->right, and
> others read right->left, all read top->bottom. None read bottom->top.
>> [flame on]
>> but we do read chronologically (in date order) and I for one hate having to go
Thanks for making my point, since when does time "move" from bottom
to top?
>> 3 pages down to read the answer to the previous email (in a threaded news
>> reader!).
>
>> Although I do admit that if you start in the last email of a thread it easier
>> to read top to bottom
>
>> [flame off]
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01-14-2008, 09:28 PM
Ron Johnson
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On 01/14/08 16:07, David wrote:
> Alex Samad wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:32:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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>>> On 01/14/08 10:21, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich wrote:
>>>> Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
>>>> posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
>>>> create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
>>> Rationality, because while some cultures read left->right, and
>>> others read right->left, all read top->bottom. None read bottom->top.
>> [flame on]
>> but we do read chronologically (in date order) and I for one hate
>> having to go 3 pages down to read the answer to the previous email (in
>> a threaded news reader!).
>>
>> Although I do admit that if you start in the last email of a thread it
>> easier to read top to bottom
>
> I think that different date formats are employed even in different
> English speaking countries.
>
> As far as top-posting is concerned, in order to assist the OP - two
> words - 'Logical Progression'.
Sure. YYYY-MM-DD; DD-AAA-YYYY; MM/DD/YY; DD/MM/YY, etc.
But no one counts down unless they know what the top number is.
> Especially within a problem resolving format, such as this list,
> top-posting supplies a complete, step by step history of the situation
> from initial problem to final solution.
>
> Of course, the lazy way is just to read the top of the exchange and grab
> the solution, but: this means that no level of understanding is achieved
> by the reader; the reader doesn't have the opportunity to contribute to
> the situation; bottom-up posting doesn't contribute to efficient
> archiving; and Debian, at least from my experience, isn't in the market
> of catering to laziness.
> Regards,
>
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Jefferson LA USA
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01-14-2008, 09:52 PM
Alex Samad
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 04:28:53PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 01/14/08 16:07, David wrote:
> > Alex Samad wrote:
> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:32:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> >>> On 01/14/08 10:21, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich wrote:
> >>>> Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
> >>>> posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
> >>>> create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
> >>> Rationality, because while some cultures read left->right, and
> >>> others read right->left, all read top->bottom. None read bottom->top.
> >> [flame on]
> >> but we do read chronologically (in date order) and I for one hate
> >> having to go 3 pages down to read the answer to the previous email (in
> >> a threaded news reader!).
> >>
> >> Although I do admit that if you start in the last email of a thread it
> >> easier to read top to bottom
> >
> > I think that different date formats are employed even in different
> > English speaking countries.
> >
> > As far as top-posting is concerned, in order to assist the OP - two
> > words - 'Logical Progression'.
>
> Sure. YYYY-MM-DD; DD-AAA-YYYY; MM/DD/YY; DD/MM/YY, etc.
my mail reader sort my mail in date order and links together all the threaded
emails. I read them in date/time order, if I follow a thread from begging to
end, then all i should have to do is read the top posts, but if they bottom
posted, then as the thread grows I find I have to scroll further down, re
reading the same information I have read in the previous email.
>
> But no one counts down unless they know what the top number is.
>
> > Especially within a problem resolving format, such as this list,
> > top-posting supplies a complete, step by step history of the situation
> > from initial problem to final solution.
> >
> > Of course, the lazy way is just to read the top of the exchange and grab
> > the solution, but: this means that no level of understanding is achieved
> > by the reader; the reader doesn't have the opportunity to contribute to
> > the situation; bottom-up posting doesn't contribute to efficient
> > archiving; and Debian, at least from my experience, isn't in the market
> > of catering to laziness.
> > Regards,
> >
>
>
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>
> "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian
> because I hate vegetables!"
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01-14-2008, 09:52 PM
Alex Samad
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On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 04:13:22PM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 01/14/08 15:57, Alex Samad wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 10:32:53AM -0600, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > On 01/14/08 10:21, Ebanutiy Ebanatik Ebanatovich wrote:
> >>> Sorry for offtopic but I'm wondering if the cause of avoiding of top
> >>> posting is in something technical (e.g. to help forum software to
> >>> create weekly digests correctly) or is it a question of etiquette?
> > Rationality, because while some cultures read left->right, and
> > others read right->left, all read top->bottom. None read bottom->top.
> >> [flame on]
> >> but we do read chronologically (in date order) and I for one hate having to go
>
> Thanks for making my point, since when does time "move" from bottom
> to top?
so you are advocating top posting ?
>
> >> 3 pages down to read the answer to the previous email (in a threaded news
> >> reader!).
> >
> >> Although I do admit that if you start in the last email of a thread it easier
> >> to read top to bottom
> >
> >> [flame off]
>
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> Jefferson LA USA
>
> "I'm not a vegetarian because I love animals, I'm a vegetarian
> because I hate vegetables!"
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