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Old 11-18-2007, 07:18 PM
"Kelly Clowers"
 
Default [OT?] Replying to posts in debian-user

On Nov 18, 2007 11:30 AM, Chris G <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 10:48:29AM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
> > On Nov 18, 2007 9:12 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:
> > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 03:34:27PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
> > >
> > > > There is one tip I have for you: use a mailer that has better support
> > > > for mailing lists than your current one, e.g. KMail. Mutt and Gnus
> > > > are even better, but they are difficult to set up.
> > >
> > > I'm wondering what is difficult about setting up mutt.
> > >
> > > In /etc/Muttrc, the only change I made, other than to ignore some
> > > headers, was
> > >
> > > set record=""
> > >
> > > so that I don't have a default sent folder.
> > >
> > > and in ~/.muttrc, other than aliases for family, friends, and mailing
> > > lists, I just have the subscribe lists for mailing lists, eg:
> > >
> > > alias debian-user debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > > subscribe debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > >
> > >
> > > Thats it. I send mail and it goes to exim4 that sends it to my ISP as a
> > > smarthost, and away it goes from there.
> > >
> > > Sure, you can get fancy and have mutt or other things sort and slice,
> > > dice, and cook the mail. I've never had the need.
> >
> > Lucky you. I have looked into using mutt, as I tend to be a CLI
> > junkie, but I found that would need to do a lot of customization
> > before I would enjoy using it. I would need to do much of the
> > customization all at once, before I started using it, and to really
> > make it worthwhile I also need to use it with imap, which means
> > my own mail server. Google now does imap, but I want my own
> > mail server for other reasons.
> >
> > In my opinion, Mutt is quite a bit harder to start using than vim.
> > I have a longish vimrc, but the defaults worked well enough at
> > first, so all I had to do was memorize key bindings.
> >
> mutt works fairly sensibly "out of the box" in my experience.

I think I am just too picky about my email :-)

> Also why do you say you'd have to use IMAP with mutt to get what you
> want? Unless you need to be able to read (using mutt) your mail from
> several different systems I don't see how it would help you.

I do want to access mail from different locations. I guess I could keep
mail locally and ssh to that machine, but I would rather have it on a
separate server.


Cheers,
Kelly Clowers


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Old 11-18-2007, 08:10 PM
Chris G
 
Default [OT?] Replying to posts in debian-user

On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 12:18:46PM -0800, Kelly Clowers wrote:
>
> > Also why do you say you'd have to use IMAP with mutt to get what you
> > want? Unless you need to be able to read (using mutt) your mail from
> > several different systems I don't see how it would help you.
>
> I do want to access mail from different locations. I guess I could keep
> mail locally and ssh to that machine, but I would rather have it on a
> separate server.
>
That's what I do (ssh to my hosting provider where I have shell
access) and read my mail locally there using mutt.

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Old 11-18-2007, 09:14 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default [OT?] Replying to posts in debian-user

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On 11/18/07 18:01, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 08:09:58PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
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>> Thank you Doug, I just noticed that when I hit reply-to-all, your email did
>> not appear in the "To:" list, and just the d-u list address appeared.
>
> Because Doug has set "Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org"

How do you do that in tbird?

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Old 11-18-2007, 09:47 PM
Sven Joachim
 
Default [OT?] Replying to posts in debian-user

On 2007-11-18 23:14 +0100, Ron Johnson wrote:

> On 11/18/07 18:01, Andrei Popescu wrote:
>> Because Doug has set "Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org"
>
> How do you do that in tbird?

It is possible, but very inconvenient. Look at
http://kb.mozillazine.org/Custom_headers how to set this up. Note that

a) You can set up automatic custom headers based on your identity (email
address), but not on the recipient's address, AIUI. That means you
have to manually insert the header all the time, unless you use a
different address for each mailing list.

b) If you save a draft and edit it later, all your custom headers will
be lost, see https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=195716.


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Old 11-19-2007, 01:48 AM
"Douglas A. Tutty"
 
Default [OT?] Replying to posts in debian-user

On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 08:01:42PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 08:09:58PM +0530, Raj Kiran Grandhi wrote:
> > Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> >>>
> >>> If I use "reply-to-all", icedove adds the original sender in the "To:"
> >>> field and the debian-user address in the "CC:" field. If I send it in
> >>> this way, will the sender receive two posts? I never received multiple
> >>> replies to any of my posts, so I think the list software probably doesn't
> >>> send out multiple copies to the same recipient. Am I correct in assuming
> >>> this?
> >>
> >> No. If you send to two recipeints: the list and a person, the list
> >> can't un-send your message to the person. You would have been sending
> >> two. Mutt has a 'list reply' which only sends to the list. I don't
> >> know about icedove.
> >>
> >
> > Thank you Doug, I just noticed that when I hit reply-to-all, your email did
> > not appear in the "To:" list, and just the d-u list address appeared.
>
> Because Doug has set "Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org"

Not intentionally. Perhaps mutt does that with my "subscribe
debian-..." directive in my .muttrc. I thought that the debian lists
did that.


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Old 11-19-2007, 09:11 AM
Andrei Popescu
 
Default [OT?] Replying to posts in debian-user

On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 09:48:55PM -0500, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:

> > Because Doug has set "Mail-Followup-To: debian-user@lists.debian.org"
>
> Not intentionally. Perhaps mutt does that with my "subscribe
> debian-..." directive in my .muttrc. I thought that the debian lists
> did that.

Yep, mutt does it (i have no subscribe directive). The list AFAIK
doesn't add anything more than the standard List- headers,
Mail-Followup-To, Reply-To are user headers.

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Old 11-20-2007, 04:06 AM
"s. keeling"
 
Default [OT?] Replying to posts in debian-user

Kelly Clowers <kelly.clowers@gmail.com>:
> On Nov 18, 2007 9:12 AM, Douglas A. Tutty <dtutty@porchlight.ca> wrote:
> > On Sun, Nov 18, 2007 at 03:34:27PM +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
> >
> > > There is one tip I have for you: use a mailer that has better support
> > > for mailing lists than your current one, e.g. KMail. Mutt and Gnus
> > > are even better, but they are difficult to set up.
> >
> > I'm wondering what is difficult about setting up mutt.

I like mutt. I admit it's difficult to "personalize" it (fcc-hook,
folder-hook, charset-hook, save-hook, ...).

> > Sure, you can get fancy and have mutt or other things sort and slice,
> > dice, and cook the mail. I've never had the need.

I do. Fetchmail gets it, hands off to exim, passes to procmail, calls
bogofilter to inspect, ... ${Magic_Happens}

> Lucky you. I have looked into using mutt, as I tend to be a CLI
> junkie, but I found that would need to do a lot of customization
> before I would enjoy using it. I would need to do much of the
> customization all at once, before I started using it, and to really
> make it worthwhile I also need to use it with imap, which means

Mutt does IMAP protocol. No local imapd necessary. Just connect.

> In my opinion, Mutt is quite a bit harder to start using than vim.

You need to do more research. Yeah, mutt appreciates handholding,
just like any other puppy. It's really no more difficult than any
other puppy.


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