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Hans Vogelsberger 01-08-2008 09:51 AM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
Since some days debian-user list is full of spam. Most of it is already
marked SPAM in subject by my provider's filter and therefore gets
deleted by my personal filter (and shortly noted in my mailfilter.log).
So do all the protesting mails with 'spam' in their subject line, which
seem to be quite a lot. Others are found in the junk folder of Icedove.
But there are still too many coming through (even Nigeria connection and
Lottery mails!)


On Jan 2 I protested against spam with the subject 'Pls check the new
site'. After that, some big-mouth thought himself entitled to instruct
me about what anyhow everybody knows: that I only receive what the
spamfilters let through. Well, in the meantime it seems that every spam
is let through by the debian-user filters.


H. Vogelsberger

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Listas Locatel 01-08-2008 10:08 AM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
Hans Vogelsberger escribió:
Since some days debian-user list is full of spam. Most of it is
already marked SPAM in subject by my provider's filter and therefore
gets deleted by my personal filter (and shortly noted in my
mailfilter.log). So do all the protesting mails with 'spam' in their
subject line, which seem to be quite a lot. Others are found in the
junk folder of Icedove. But there are still too many coming through
(even Nigeria connection and Lottery mails!)


On Jan 2 I protested against spam with the subject 'Pls check the new
site'. After that, some big-mouth thought himself entitled to instruct
me about what anyhow everybody knows: that I only receive what the
spamfilters let through. Well, in the meantime it seems that every
spam is let through by the debian-user filters.


H. Vogelsberger
This problem seems a general problem. debian-user-spanish is full of
spam too and other lists different of Debian are receiving too much spam
in these days. I can't know what is the real problem but I am
collecting emails and learning my spam filter.


I think it's better talk about this problem with lists responsable but I
think that's better don't talk about it here.


Best regards!


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"Shane D" 01-08-2008 10:32 AM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
You seem to think that it is just the debian-user list that is being
spammed. I personally am recieving a great deal of spam, as well, and
it is getting passed my filters as well. They have figured out a new
way of doing it, and this will die down some time soon.

Just deal with it for now.

On 1/8/08, Hans Vogelsberger <listen.hvog@schwaz.net> wrote:
> Since some days debian-user list is full of spam. Most of it is already
> marked SPAM in subject by my provider's filter and therefore gets
> deleted by my personal filter (and shortly noted in my mailfilter.log).
> So do all the protesting mails with 'spam' in their subject line, which
> seem to be quite a lot. Others are found in the junk folder of Icedove.
> But there are still too many coming through (even Nigeria connection and
> Lottery mails!)
>
> On Jan 2 I protested against spam with the subject 'Pls check the new
> site'. After that, some big-mouth thought himself entitled to instruct
> me about what anyhow everybody knows: that I only receive what the
> spamfilters let through. Well, in the meantime it seems that every spam
> is let through by the debian-user filters.
>
> H. Vogelsberger
>
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> abonnierte Listen.
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>
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Jochen Schulz 01-08-2008 12:34 PM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
Hans Vogelsberger:
>
> [...] Well, in the meantime it seems that every spam is let through
> by the debian-user filters.

No: <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2007/04/msg00809.html>.

The amount of spam that has passed the listserver's filter mechanisms in
the last few days might be large, but it is still only a tiny fraction
of what's actually coming in at lists.debian.org.

Sometimes I have the impression that the people who complain the most
about spam from Debian lists are the ones who don't even know how *bad*
the spam problem actually is. Even on my own mail server with only four
valid mail addresses plus some aliases I reject more than a thousand
delivery attempts every day. Receiving 20-50 spam mails a day is surely
an annoyance. But you are still only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

J.
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John Hasler 01-08-2008 01:23 PM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
Hans Vogelsberger writes:
> [...] Well, in the meantime it seems that every spam is let through
> by the debian-user filters.

If that were true you'd be seeing more than 99% spam (I'm not kidding or
exaggerating. It's that bad).


Jochen Schulz writes:
> The amount of spam that has passed the listserver's filter mechanisms in
> the last few days might be large, but it is still only a tiny fraction of
> what's actually coming in at lists.debian.org.

This is true, but there has been a surge in spam on this list recently. It
is quite clear that all the spam is not getting through, but I'm seeing
more here than on other lists. and more than usual.
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Hans Vogelsberger 01-08-2008 02:38 PM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
Listas Locatel schrieb:

I think it's better talk about this problem with lists responsable but I
think that's better don't talk about it here.


Thats wrong. Lists responsibles only pay attention if the matter is
discussed in the list, too.


Yours
Hans Vogelsberger


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Raquel 01-08-2008 02:38 PM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
On Tue, 08 Jan 2008 08:23:30 -0600
John Hasler <jhasler@debian.org> wrote:

> Jochen Schulz writes:
> > The amount of spam that has passed the listserver's filter
> > mechanisms in the last few days might be large, but it is still
> > only a tiny fraction of what's actually coming in at
> > lists.debian.org.
>
> This is true, but there has been a surge in spam on this list
> recently. It is quite clear that all the spam is not getting
> through, but I'm seeing more here than on other lists. and more
> than usual. --
> John Hasler

I think that this is what bothers me. I'm on at least a dozen lists
other than debian-user and debian-isp. However, the 2 Debian lists
are the ONLY ones from which come SPAM and viruses.

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David Brodbeck 01-08-2008 06:32 PM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
On Jan 8, 2008, at 6:23 AM, John Hasler wrote:
This is true, but there has been a surge in spam on this list
recently. It
is quite clear that all the spam is not getting through, but I'm
seeing

more here than on other lists. and more than usual.


Yup. I'd say fully half my spam today came from debian-user. I'm
starting to think about unsubscribing; it just is starting to take too
much work to sort out the wheat from the chaff, and my spam filter
doesn't seem to work very well on list mail.


Maybe it's time to revisit the idea of allowing only members to post?


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"Chris Howie" 01-08-2008 06:34 PM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
On Jan 8, 2008 2:32 PM, David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> wrote:

Maybe it's time to revisit the idea of allowing only members to post?

Or people could stop talking about it and get back to their lives, since it was fixed some hours ago.

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Wayne Topa 01-08-2008 07:49 PM

What is going on in debian-user?
 
Chris Howie(cdhowie@gmail.com) is reported to have said:
> On Jan 8, 2008 2:32 PM, David Brodbeck <brodbd@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> > Maybe it's time to revisit the idea of allowing only members to post?
> >
>
> Or people could stop talking about it and get back to their lives, since it
> was fixed some hours ago.
>

Your right Chris. This seems to come up at least once a year. People
complaining about too much spam on the list and what the 'list admins'
should do about it. It very sad.

Because I am on dialup, I got real tired of the spam I was getting on
all of my mail accounts. I searched for a cure and, at the time,
found it in the debian mailfilter package. It cut the spam getting
through SA by 90% at first, and got better as I 'taught' it to get
smarter. Mailfilter, for those that don't know, deletes the spam at
the ISP, so I don't have to download it.

A new mailfilter type program came out 2-3 years ago. It improves on
the mailfilter (headers only) method by including a mail body check.
The program is called murx <http://murx.sourceforge.net> and since
installing it and improving my filter rules I have not seen the
increase in spam that those of you that are complaining are seeing.

In fact, my logs show more messages compiling about spam, then spam
messages. About a 5-6 to 1 ratio.

This is Linux. Why should people expect someone else to filter spam
for us when we can do it ourselves. I don't use the spam filters
offered by my (windbloz based) ISP. I use Linux tools to do it.

BTW the same spam that 'was' getting through my filters on D-U were on
most of my other debian lists as well. The spammers are getting
clever, they go to the most popular mailing lists, first.

I can't understand why anyone would give up the D-U list, with all of
its great information, just because of a bit of spam. Take some time
to improve your knowledge of the tools offered by this fantastic OS,
and get on with enjoying it. Remember, the tools are on the OS and
the help you need is right here on D-U.

Happy New Year Gals and Guys!

Wayne

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