Greetings,

My latest apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install too
much cruft for me, namely apache2-mpm-prefork and *all* the
xserver-xorg-video-* packages, along with some others. Usually it just
wants to install one or two, keep a few and upgrade a bunch.

I don't know why would any package depend specifically on apache
instead of on a webserver (which i have), and apt-cache rdepends
didn't show me anything interesting. The only package i have that
could remotely ring a bell would be apache2-utils (i have it for
htpasswd), but it doesn't depend on apache.

Also, i have xserver-xorg-video-nv and xserver-xorg-video-fbdev, why
would apt want to install xserver-xorg-video-all?!

TIA,
Nuno

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On 2010-01-17 at 17:27:52 -0500, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> My latest apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install too
> much cruft for me, namely apache2-mpm-prefork and *all* the
> xserver-xorg-video-* packages, along with some others. Usually it just
> wants to install one or two, keep a few and upgrade a bunch.

You haven't said whether you are running Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid,
but I've heard that there has been a change in the package management
system fairly recently that will cause it to treat recommendations
as dependencies. Try the --no-install-recommends option when you run
apt-get dist-upgrade. For example,

apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade

and see if that makes a difference.


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On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 01:34, Stephen Powell <zlinuxman@wowway.com> wrote:
>
> You haven't said whether you are running Lenny, Squeeze, or Sid,

Oh... Sid actually.

> apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade

Nope, same result... thanks though.

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> On 2010-01-17 at 17:27:52 -0500, Nuno Magalhães wrote:

> > My latest apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install
> > [...] *all* the xserver-xorg-video-* packages,

you should probably be using aptitude, but regardless, you have
installed, at some point, xserver-xorg-video-all, which depends on all
the video-* packages. remove that package and directly install the
drivers you actually need.

A

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 02:04, Andrew Sackville-West
<andrew@farwestbilliards.com> wrote:
> you should probably be using aptitude, but regardless, you have
> installed, at some point, xserver-xorg-video-all, which depends on all
> the video-* packages. remove that package and directly install the
> drivers you actually need.

I've been meaning to change to aptitude since that's the current
default package manager (and seems to be better), but i'm considering
doing it after a fresh reinstall (i need to repartition and maybe use
lvm and raid). If i start using it now won't there be conflicts with
what apt has done so far, i.e. do aptitude and apt both agree on
dependencies and what not?

For X, because i dislike having all drivers installed, when i setup
Debian i chose no desktop task and installed X manually (having to
re/configure Xorg.conf, as usual), making sure i first installed
xserver-xorg-video-nv (as well as input stuff) before i installed the
core packages. I have no *-all installed. These are the packages i
have:
x11-xserver-utils
xserver-common
xserver-xorg
xserver-xorg-core
xserver-xorg-input-evdev
xserver-xorg-input-kbd
xserver-xorg-input-mouse
xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
xserver-xorg-video-nv

So, xserver-xorg-core should not need the *-all package. Besides, i've
been dist-upgrading for ages and X never complained, so why start now?

And packages depending directly on apache instead of on an httpd? I've
installed nagios3 and then purged it, that's where apache-utils came
from. But now i've purged them both. These would be the only ones what
would be related to a webserver.

So, if i change now to aptitude will all my problems be solved?

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On Mon,18.Jan.10, 13:25:59, Nuno Magalhães wrote:

> So, if i change now to aptitude will all my problems be solved?

No, but it might help you find the real problem. Try

aptitude why <package>

to see why a package would be installed.

It is also safe to switch to aptitude now, it shouldn't conflict with
apt-get, but be aware that it will remove not needed auto-installed
packages, whereas apt-get will wait for you to issue an 'autoremove'.

Regards,
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Ok, i'm getting somewhere:

# aptitude why apache2-mpm-prefork
i php-mdb2 Depends php-pear (>= 5.2.0-8)
p php-pear Depends php5-common (>=
5.2.12.dfsg.1-2)
p A php5-common Recommends php5-suhosin
i A php5-suhosin Depends phpapi-20060613
p libapache2-mod-php5filter Provides phpapi-20060613
p libapache2-mod-php5filter Depends apache2-mpm-prefork (>
2.0.52) | apache2-mpm-itk

So in order to have sohosin i need to have apache?

# aptitude why xserver-xorg-video-all
i xserver-xorg Depends xserver-xorg-video-all | xserver-xorg-video-5

Why is X now depending on a virtual package that provides a bunch of
drivers, when all i need is one of them?! Anyway,
xserver-xorg-video-nv provides xserver-xorg-video-5, so this shouldn't
happen.

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Well using aptitude safe-upgrade didn't prompt for any x- or
apache-related packages.

Thanks,
Nuno

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On Sunday 17 January 2010 16:27:52 Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> I don't know why would any package depend specifically on apache
> instead of on a webserver (which i have), and apt-cache rdepends
> didn't show me anything interesting.

Try (aptitude why $package_it_wants_to_install) or (aptitude why-not
$package_it_wants_to_remove).

Some might only be recommendations, but its certainly possible that new
versions of packages you are currently using have added more dependencies.
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On 10-01-18 09:08:45, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> Ok, i'm getting somewhere:
>
> # aptitude why apache2-mpm-prefork
> i php-mdb2 Depends php-pear (>= 5.2.0-8)
> p php-pear Depends php5-common (>=
> 5.2.12.dfsg.1-2)
> p A php5-common Recommends php5-suhosin
> i A php5-suhosin Depends phpapi-20060613
> p libapache2-mod-php5filter Provides phpapi-20060613
> p libapache2-mod-php5filter Depends apache2-mpm-prefork (>
> 2.0.52) | apache2-mpm-itk
>
> So in order to have sohosin i need to have apache?
...

Or you need to not install the "recommends".

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