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Old 01-02-2008, 01:34 PM
charlie derr
 
Default upgrading in sid

Daniel Burrows wrote:

On Mon, Dec 31, 2007 at 03:59:16PM -0500, charlie derr <cderr@simons-rock.edu> was heard to say:

Daniel Burrows wrote:

It would be interesting to know what ldd /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2 says.

ni@delete:/var/cache/apt$ ldd /usr/lib/libxml2.so.2
linux-gate.so.1 => (0xb7fb7000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/i686/cmov/libdl.so.2 (0xb7e7e000)
libz.so.1 => /usr/local/lib/libz.so.1 (0xb7e6a000)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You may not know it's there, but you have a local version of libz.so.1
that isn't binary-compatible with the Debian-supplied libz. You're
probably better off just deleting this (or moving it to some other name,
like was-libz.1); as it is, you risk random breakage and security holes
(because you probably aren't getting security updates for your local
version of the library).

You may want to check if anything else has been placed in
/usr/local/bin or /usr/local/lib, and what the timestamps are (run
"ls -l /usr/local/bin /usr/local/lib"), as any other files in there
will override the system libraries.




Thanks so very much to you and Florian both being patient with me and explaining in this sort of detail. The timestamp on the
problematic libz.so.1.2.3 (where libz.so.1 was linked to told me that I'd installed it on 11-16-2006 which was long enough ago
that I can understand forgetting that I'd done it (and also at a period of time, that I might very well have been trying to
install new software (some of which I might not have been able to find in debian)).





Erk. That means something is hosed in your apt cache. I would guess
this isn't related to your earlier problems, but it would be interesting
to know whether running "aptitude update" fixes this problem,

it hasn't yet (subsequent upgrades/removals won't all succeed (all of the gnome related stuff is foobared)) -- this is why i've


Huh, interesting.


delete:~# apt-cache showpkg desktop-base shared-mime-info
Package: desktop-base
Versions:
4.0.4(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binar y-i386_Packages)
4.0.3(/var/lib/dpkg/status)


OK, apt believes that version 4.0.4 is available from unstable. But
when it goes to actually install that version, it apparently blows up,
complaining that no file in the archive actually provides version 4.0.4.
At least, that's how I interpret that message
(pkgAcqArchive:kgAcqArchive generates it if QueueNext
fails)...although from the source it looks like there are a few other
things it could be caused by, such as unusual trust errors. You didn't
mention trust problems, though, so I assume that's not what's happening.

I wonder what these commands will show:

grep -A 1000 "^Package: desktop-base$" /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binar y-i386_Packages | sed '/^$/,$d'

apt-cache policy desktop-base

apt-get -s install desktop-base

apt-get -s install desktop-base=4.0.4

aptitude -s install desktop-base=4.0.4

aptitude -vvvv show desktop-base

Actually, if you have a way to post large files on the internet, it
would be interesting if you could run
"aptitude-create-state-bundle snapshot.tar.bz2" and then let me know how
to get access to it; then I might be able to reproduce your problems
here and find out exactly what's happening.

Daniel





With the removal of the problematic libz stuff, aptitude is humming along just fine. I now understand (I think) completely what
the sequence of events was.


In trying my upgrade the other day, there was a problem with 5 packages:
desktop-base gnome-session libgnome2-common libgnomevfs2-common shared-mime-info

It was the gzopen64 error, but not understanding it, my first thought was that perhaps the downloaded files were maybe corrupted
(I'd seen what I'd thought was a similar error in the past and forcing a redownload had apparently fixed it), so I deleted the
.deb files out of /var/cache/apt/archives --- this part didn't go as well as I'd hoped because there was no immediate attempt to
redownload anything (I just got the same error), and this is when I tried "apt-get -f install" which may or may not have screwed
up the state of those 5 packages.



thanks again to everyone for the assistance, you're all great,
~c


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Old 01-02-2008, 02:42 PM
Daniel Burrows
 
Default upgrading in sid

On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 09:09:53AM -0500, charlie derr <cderr@simons-rock.edu> was heard to say:
> aptitude-create-state-bundle doesn't apparently exist on my system -- was
> this a relatively recent addition to aptitude? (it may have been a year or
> slightly longer since I've upgraded aptitude)

Yes, it was added in version 0.4.6. All it really does is make a
compressed archive of the following files/directories:

/var/lib/aptitude
/var/lib/apt
/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin
/var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin
/etc/apt
/var/lib/dpkg/status

...but I find it's easier to tell people to run it than to tell them
to make a compressed archive of a half-dozen cryptically named items.

Daniel


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Old 01-02-2008, 03:42 PM
charlie derr
 
Default upgrading in sid

Thanks again for explaining everything.

After continuing through a few more upgrades (actually, I got the word that I should now be using "safe-upgrade", so was using
that when I remembered), I'm now almost fully up to date (kde wants to uninstall itself when I try to upgrade kdebase, so I'm
putting that off for a week or so to see if it works better after available packages are built on the other end). I really
appreciate all the assistance,


~c




Daniel Burrows wrote:

On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 09:09:53AM -0500, charlie derr <cderr@simons-rock.edu> was heard to say:
aptitude-create-state-bundle doesn't apparently exist on my system -- was
this a relatively recent addition to aptitude? (it may have been a year or
slightly longer since I've upgraded aptitude)


Yes, it was added in version 0.4.6. All it really does is make a
compressed archive of the following files/directories:

/var/lib/aptitude
/var/lib/apt
/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin
/var/cache/apt/srcpkgcache.bin
/etc/apt
/var/lib/dpkg/status

...but I find it's easier to tell people to run it than to tell them
to make a compressed archive of a half-dozen cryptically named items.

Daniel





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Old 01-02-2008, 03:54 PM
Sven Joachim
 
Default upgrading in sid

On 2008-01-02 17:42 +0100, charlie derr wrote:

> After continuing through a few more upgrades (actually, I got the word
> that I should now be using "safe-upgrade", so was using that when I
> remembered), I'm now almost fully up to date (kde wants to uninstall
> itself when I try to upgrade kdebase, so I'm putting that off for a
> week or so to see if it works better after available packages are
> built on the other end).

That might take a while. Apparently the i386 buildd has been down for
ten days at least, and the whole KDE team is running amd64. :-(

I'd put testing in my sources.list and install kdebase from there.

Sven


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Old 01-02-2008, 04:12 PM
charlie derr
 
Default upgrading in sid

Sven Joachim wrote:

On 2008-01-02 17:42 +0100, charlie derr wrote:


After continuing through a few more upgrades (actually, I got the word
that I should now be using "safe-upgrade", so was using that when I
remembered), I'm now almost fully up to date (kde wants to uninstall
itself when I try to upgrade kdebase, so I'm putting that off for a
week or so to see if it works better after available packages are
built on the other end).


That might take a while. Apparently the i386 buildd has been down for
ten days at least, and the whole KDE team is running amd64. :-(



maybe I should attempt an amd64 install again (I do have an alternate / partition on this machine where I attempted to do this
when it was new (over a year ago) -- I got it mostly working but the mouse was wonky (it almost worked, but it was very hard to
successfully select text) and the clock ran twice as fast as it was supposed to and I gave up trying to research the answers to
those two issues -- maybe they're fixed by now and simply booting back to that partition and upgrading everything will work).



I'd put testing in my sources.list and install kdebase from there.


i don't think i'll do that -- there's no new feature that I'm missing, so I'll probably just wait


thanks in any event for the info,
~c



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Old 01-03-2008, 02:26 AM
"David Fox"
 
Default upgrading in sid

On 12/31/07, charlie derr <cderr@simons-rock.edu> wrote:

snip some stuff


> I'm not aware of ever intentionally doing anything to install any 64bit
> libs. My whole system is running as 32-bit.

MIne too (I don't do AMD64 because I don't have an AMD64, sniff).

But I also see 64 bit stuff in /lib64. And I don't think they are for
64bit file position related stuff
because if I disassemble one representative file I see 64 bit instructions.

As these will likely never get used until or unless I get a 64bit
machine, how do I remove them? I don't think I ever explicitly told
aptitude to install these libraries.


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Old 01-03-2008, 04:34 AM
Daniel Burrows
 
Default upgrading in sid

On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 07:26:18PM -0800, David Fox <dfox94085@gmail.com> was heard to say:
> On 12/31/07, charlie derr <cderr@simons-rock.edu> wrote:
>
> snip some stuff
>
>
> > I'm not aware of ever intentionally doing anything to install any 64bit
> > libs. My whole system is running as 32-bit.
>
> MIne too (I don't do AMD64 because I don't have an AMD64, sniff).
>
> But I also see 64 bit stuff in /lib64. And I don't think they are for
> 64bit file position related stuff
> because if I disassemble one representative file I see 64 bit instructions.
>
> As these will likely never get used until or unless I get a 64bit
> machine, how do I remove them? I don't think I ever explicitly told
> aptitude to install these libraries.

You didn't say what libraries they are or what packages they come from
(use dpkg -S to find the latter out). But on my system the only 64-bit
libraries are in /usr/lib64/fakeroot. I assume it includes them so that
it can run programs that are themselves 64-bit.

Other 64-bit libraries are in these packages (according to apt-file):

* amd64-libs, support software for running 64-bit programs in a
32-bit environment (AIUI). Required by amd64-libs-dev.

* lib64gcc1, required by various 64-bit libraries.

* lib64ncurses5, also required by various 64-bit libraries.

* lib64readline5, required by gdb64.

* libc6-amd64, required by gdb64 and various 64-bit libraries,
along with libc6-dev-amd64.

Daniel


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Old 01-03-2008, 01:06 PM
"David Fox"
 
Default upgrading in sid

On 1/2/08, Daniel Burrows <dburrows@debian.org> wrote:

> You didn't say what libraries they are or what packages they come from
> (use dpkg -S to find the latter out). But on my system the only 64-bit

dpkg -S /lib64 returns libc6-amd64 for all the libraries in /lib64.

So I ended up removing that package. I have no idea how the package
got installed on my
system. So that frees up about 9.7 megs of disk space .


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