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Old 02-20-2009, 09:09 PM
Dennis Busboom
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

I just upgraded an older machine, PII 400mhz, 256mb RAM, from Etch to Lenny.* The upgrade went smoothly, but the new Lenny kernel hangs upon booting.* The old Etch kernel (2.6.18) is still present and boots up fine into the Lenny upgrade.* When booting from the 2.6.26 kernel, it never makes it to the "Uncompressing Linux" stage, only appears to load the kernel and the initrd, then just stops.* Ctrl-Alt-Delete will reboot it, so it doesn't lock hard, just goes into a coma.* I've re-installed the kernel image and have tried a few suggested boot parameters, (noapic, etc,etc) but there is no change. Any idea of what might cause it to hang that early in the boot?

Thanks,
D. C. Busboom
 
Old 02-20-2009, 11:48 PM
Adrian Levi
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

2009/2/21 Dennis Busboom <dcbnebr@yahoo.com>:
> I just upgraded an older machine, PII 400mhz, 256mb RAM, from Etch to
> Lenny. The upgrade went smoothly, but the new Lenny kernel hangs upon
> booting. The old Etch kernel (2.6.18) is still present and boots up fine
> into the Lenny upgrade. When booting from the 2.6.26 kernel, it never makes
> it to the "Uncompressing Linux" stage, only appears to load the kernel and
> the initrd, then just stops. Ctrl-Alt-Delete will reboot it, so it doesn't
> lock hard, just goes into a coma. I've re-installed the kernel image and
> have tried a few suggested boot parameters, (noapic, etc,etc) but there is
> no change. Any idea of what might cause it to hang that early in the boot?

What processor architecture is the new kernel compiled for?

Adrian

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Old 02-20-2009, 11:54 PM
Adrian Levi
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

2009/2/21 Dennis Busboom <dcbnebr@yahoo.com>:
> I just upgraded an older machine, PII 400mhz, 256mb RAM, from Etch to
> Lenny. The upgrade went smoothly, but the new Lenny kernel hangs upon
> booting. The old Etch kernel (2.6.18) is still present and boots up fine
> into the Lenny upgrade. When booting from the 2.6.26 kernel, it never makes
> it to the "Uncompressing Linux" stage, only appears to load the kernel and
> the initrd, then just stops. Ctrl-Alt-Delete will reboot it, so it doesn't
> lock hard, just goes into a coma. I've re-installed the kernel image and
> have tried a few suggested boot parameters, (noapic, etc,etc) but there is
> no change. Any idea of what might cause it to hang that early in the boot?

Just to add, you could install one of the linux-image-686 or
linux-image-2.6-686 meta packages.

The first one depends on the most recent linux kernel, the second one
depends on the most recent 2.6 kernel.

Adrian

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Old 02-21-2009, 12:09 AM
"H.S."
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

Adrian Levi wrote:
> 2009/2/21 Dennis Busboom <dcbnebr@yahoo.com>:
>> I just upgraded an older machine, PII 400mhz, 256mb RAM, from Etch to
>> Lenny. The upgrade went smoothly, but the new Lenny kernel hangs upon
>> booting. The old Etch kernel (2.6.18) is still present and boots up fine
>> into the Lenny upgrade. When booting from the 2.6.26 kernel, it never makes
>> it to the "Uncompressing Linux" stage, only appears to load the kernel and
>> the initrd, then just stops. Ctrl-Alt-Delete will reboot it, so it doesn't
>> lock hard, just goes into a coma. I've re-installed the kernel image and
>> have tried a few suggested boot parameters, (noapic, etc,etc) but there is
>> no change. Any idea of what might cause it to hang that early in the boot?
>
> Just to add, you could install one of the linux-image-686 or
> linux-image-2.6-686 meta packages.
>
> The first one depends on the most recent linux kernel, the second one
> depends on the most recent 2.6 kernel.
>
> Adrian
>

Just a thought, I hope there is no change in naming the various disk
partitions (devices).



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Old 02-21-2009, 02:29 AM
Dennis Busboom
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

> Just to add, you could install one of the linux-image-686 or
> linux-image-2.6-686 meta packages.

> The first one depends on the most recent linux kernel, the second one
> depends on the most recent 2.6 kernel.

I tried linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-686 (for PentiumX machines).
Both behave the same way. I see the kernel and initrd load, then nothing.
The old 2.6.18 still boots right up. I also tried going into the grub
command-mode and doing a 'testload' on the kernels and initrd images.
They appear to load just fine, but trying to actually 'boot' them sends
the machine into never-never-land. Definitely something this old box
doesn't like about the new kernal.

D. C. Busboom
 
Old 02-21-2009, 05:34 AM
Adrian Levi
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

2009/2/21 Dennis Busboom <dcbnebr@yahoo.com>:

> I tried linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-686 (for PentiumX machines).
> Both behave the same way. I see the kernel and initrd load, then nothing.
> The old 2.6.18 still boots right up. I also tried going into the grub
> command-mode and doing a 'testload' on the kernels and initrd images.
> They appear to load just fine, but trying to actually 'boot' them sends
> the machine into never-never-land. Definitely something this old box
> doesn't like about the new kernal.

Yes, If it's not getting to a kernel panic from unable to rind a root
device then i'm perplexed. You seem to be running the right kernel for
your machine.

Could you try running memtest86+ on it and see if its a memory issue.

Adrian

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Old 02-21-2009, 05:56 PM
Dennis Busboom
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

> Could you try running memtest86+ on it and see if its a memory issue.

I fired up memtest before leaving last night. It ran 10 hours, 12 passes
with no errors. Only thing I can think of now is to grab some source and
and roll my own where I can cherry-pick and make some SWAG's (Silly Wild A$$ed Guesses)
as to what it'll take to make 2.6.26 go.

D. C. Busboom



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Old 02-21-2009, 08:46 PM
Adrian Levi
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

2009/2/22 Dennis Busboom <dcbnebr@yahoo.com>:
>> Could you try running memtest86+ on it and see if its a memory issue.
>
> I fired up memtest before leaving last night. It ran 10 hours, 12 passes
> with no errors. Only thing I can think of now is to grab some source and
> and roll my own where I can cherry-pick and make some SWAG's (Silly Wild A$$ed Guesses)
> as to what it'll take to make 2.6.26 go.
>
> D. C. Busboom

Before you go and do that, It might be worth mentioning something on
the debian-kernel mailing list. The kernel developers may have some
ideas why the 686 kernel fails for you.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/

If they find a solution for you please do report back here with your
findings. I'd be interested in knowing what's going on.

Adrian

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Old 02-23-2009, 07:04 AM
Dennis Busboom
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

I think I've discovered what's causing the hang, but haven't had time to
dig into it. It seems that the video card (huh?!) is the problem.

lspci -v shows this with the 2.6.28 kernel booted up....

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA TNT]
(rev 04) (
Subsystem: VISIONTEK Device 0020
Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 9
Memory at f5000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
Memory at fc000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=16M]
Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 1
Capabilities: [44] AGP version 1.0
Kernel driver in use: rivafb
----------------------------------------------------------------
On a whim I dropped in a low end VESA PCI card and 2.6.26 boots right
up. Put the Nvidia Riva back in, and the hang returns. And people
wonder why I have ulcers.

D. C. Busboom



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Old 02-23-2009, 09:14 AM
Adrian Levi
 
Default Lenny kernel (2.6.26) hangs

2009/2/23 Dennis Busboom <dcbnebr@yahoo.com>:
> I think I've discovered what's causing the hang, but haven't had time to
> dig into it. It seems that the video card (huh?!) is the problem.
>
> lspci -v shows this with the 2.6.28 kernel booted up....
>
> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA TNT]
> (rev 04) (
> Subsystem: VISIONTEK Device 0020
> Flags: bus master, 66MHz, medium devsel, latency 64, IRQ 9
> Memory at f5000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
> Memory at fc000000 (32-bit, prefetchable) [size=16M]
> Capabilities: [60] Power Management version 1
> Capabilities: [44] AGP version 1.0
> Kernel driver in use: rivafb
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> On a whim I dropped in a low end VESA PCI card and 2.6.26 boots right
> up. Put the Nvidia Riva back in, and the hang returns. And people
> wonder why I have ulcers.
>
> D. C. Busboom

What made you suspect the video card?
The 2.6.28 kernel that you are running is vanilla or from unstable?

Adrian

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