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Ron Johnson 02-17-2009 08:53 PM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
On 02/17/2009 03:00 PM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
Hi all,


my first day on the list, usually, I use fedora, since fedora 1 (today's
release is 10). Now, I'm trying Lenny. Downloaded netinst AMD64 but no
GUI. Now, installing fglrx.


netinst might not have a GUI installer? (The Lenny GUI looks
exactly like the TUI installer, and isn't very difficult.)



Is there any short install guide (like http://www.fedorafaq.org/) you
can suggest for a debian newbie?


Maybe http://www.debian-administration.org/
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"H.S." 02-17-2009 08:58 PM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
Hello,

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> my first day on the list, usually, I use fedora, since fedora 1 (today's
> release is 10). Now, I'm trying Lenny. Downloaded netinst AMD64 but no
> GUI. Now, installing fglrx.
>
> Is there any short install guide (like http://www.fedorafaq.org/) you
> can suggest for a debian newbie?

There is http://www.debian.org/. Plus, you can also consult
http://www.debianhelp.org/.

Other than this, you will find this list very helpful. Searching google
usually gives pretty good hits too.

Coming from Fedora, it may be no useful to know that there is no
runlevel (init x) command in Debian as there is in Fedora. Most common
use for me of these commands was to restart the gui. In debian, almost
all such services are controlled scripts in /etc/init.d.

Packages are managed (installed, removed, reinstalled, searched, etc.)
using aptitude (recommended) or apt-get (older program). There are no
rpms in Debian (though rpms can installed using alien package). So there
are no rpm repos or channels obviously.

Package management examples:
#> aptitude update (checks repos for new updates)
#> aptitude safe-upgrade (or full-upgrade)

The other alternative is to use synaptic package manager, the GUI front
end to the package management.

Debs packages are obtained from Deb repositories specified in
/etc/apt/source.list file.

This is just to get you started with the main differences.

Welcome to Debian!
Good luck.

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Nuno Magalhães 02-17-2009 09:04 PM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
I don't think Debian defaults to a GUI install, although there is one.
Check the F-keys at the boot prompt.
Lenny just became stable, the mirrors might be shaky.

debian.org has manuals for instalations per architecture, those are
extensive and suffice for newbies to the *nix world, so they'll surely
suffice for you.

These sites might also be helpful in the future:
http://wiki.debian.org/
http://www.debian-administration.org/
http://www.debianadmin.com/

And, of course, this list and your favourite search engine.

Nuno Magalhães
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Lisi Reisz 02-17-2009 09:07 PM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 21:58:20 H.S. wrote:
> Coming from Fedora, it may be no useful to know that there is no
> runlevel (init x) command in Debian as there is in Fedora. Most common
> use for me of these commands was to restart the gui. In debian, almost
> all such services are controlled scripts in /etc/init.d.

Has it been removed, then? I used to use init 0, init 1 and init 6 frequently
until someone told me a few months ago that

shutdown -(whatever) now

is better for the system.

I'm not convinced, since the first thing that shutdown does is go to the
relevant init command. But I use shutdown as a preceaution.

Lisi


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Ron Johnson 02-17-2009 09:28 PM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
On 02/17/2009 03:58 PM, H.S. wrote:

Hello,

Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
Hi all,


my first day on the list, usually, I use fedora, since fedora 1 (today's
release is 10). Now, I'm trying Lenny. Downloaded netinst AMD64 but no
GUI. Now, installing fglrx.

Is there any short install guide (like http://www.fedorafaq.org/) you
can suggest for a debian newbie?


There is http://www.debian.org/. Plus, you can also consult
http://www.debianhelp.org/.

Other than this, you will find this list very helpful. Searching google
usually gives pretty good hits too.

Coming from Fedora, it may be no useful to know that there is no
runlevel (init x) command in Debian as there is in Fedora.


Sure there is. The difference is that Debian doesn't differentiate
between rc2-5.



Most common
use for me of these commands was to restart the gui. In debian, almost
all such services are controlled scripts in /etc/init.d.


Who's files are symlinked from rc1-6.

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$ ls -aFlGu /etc/rc2.d
total 20
drwxr-xr-x 2 root 4096 2009-02-17 16:18 ./
drwxr-xr-x 135 root 12288 2009-02-06 15:49 ../
-rw-r--r-- 1 root 556 2009-01-26 01:50 README
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 21 2009-02-17 16:18 S05loadcpufreq -> ../init.d/loadcpufreq*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 17 2009-02-17 16:18 S10rsyslog -> ../init.d/rsyslog*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 15 2009-02-17 16:18 S12acpid -> ../init.d/acpid*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 14 2009-02-17 16:18 S12dbus -> ../init.d/dbus*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 22 2009-02-17 16:18 S14avahi-daemon -> ../init.d/avahi-daemon*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 17 2009-02-17 16:18 S16openvpn -> ../init.d/openvpn*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 22 2009-02-17 16:18 S19cpufrequtils -> ../init.d/cpufrequtils*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 22 2009-02-17 16:18 S19spamassassin -> ../init.d/spamassassin*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 28 2009-02-17 16:18 S20courier-authdaemon -> ../init.d/courier-authdaemon*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 22 2009-02-17 16:18 S20courier-imap -> ../init.d/courier-imap*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 14 2009-02-17 16:18 S20cups -> ../init.d/cups*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 15 2009-02-17 16:18 S20dictd -> ../init.d/dictd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 15 2009-02-17 16:18 S20exim4 -> ../init.d/exim4*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 20 2009-02-17 16:18 S20fancontrol -> ../init.d/fancontrol*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 13 2009-02-17 16:18 S20gpm -> ../init.d/gpm*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 17 2009-02-17 16:18 S20hddtemp -> ../init.d/hddtemp*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 24 2009-02-17 16:18 S20nethack-common -> ../init.d/nethack-common*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 20 2009-02-17 16:18 S20nfs-common -> ../init.d/nfs-common*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 27 2009-02-17 16:18 S20nfs-kernel-server -> ../init.d/nfs-kernel-server*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 23 2009-02-17 16:18 S20openbsd-inetd -> ../init.d/openbsd-inetd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 17 2009-02-17 16:18 S20postfix -> ../init.d/postfix*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 19 2009-02-17 16:18 S20powernowd -> ../init.d/powernowd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 15 2009-02-17 16:18 S20samba -> ../init.d/samba*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 15 2009-02-17 16:18 S20saned -> ../init.d/saned*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 17 2009-02-17 16:18 S20sensord -> ../init.d/sensord*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 23 2009-02-17 16:18 S20smartmontools -> ../init.d/smartmontools*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 13 2009-02-17 16:18 S21fam -> ../init.d/fam*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 13 2009-02-17 16:18 S23ntp -> ../init.d/ntp*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 13 2009-02-17 16:18 S24hal -> ../init.d/hal*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 19 2009-02-17 16:18 S25bluetooth -> ../init.d/bluetooth*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 31 2009-02-17 16:18 S30system-tools-backends -> ../init.d/system-tools-backends*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 13 2009-02-17 16:18 S89atd -> ../init.d/atd*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 14 2009-02-17 16:18 S89cron -> ../init.d/cron*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 24 2009-02-17 16:18 S90binfmt-support -> ../init.d/binfmt-support*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 19 2009-02-17 16:18 S99fetchmail -> ../init.d/fetchmail*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 18 2009-02-17 16:18 S99rc.local -> ../init.d/rc.local*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 19 2009-02-17 16:18 S99rmnologin -> ../init.d/rmnologin*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root 23 2009-02-17 16:18 S99stop-bootlogd -> ../init.d/stop-bootlogd*

Sven Joachim 02-17-2009 09:31 PM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
On 2009-02-17 23:07 +0100, Lisi Reisz wrote:

> On Tuesday 17 February 2009 21:58:20 H.S. wrote:
>> Coming from Fedora, it may be no useful to know that there is no
>> runlevel (init x) command in Debian as there is in Fedora. Most common
>> use for me of these commands was to restart the gui. In debian, almost
>> all such services are controlled scripts in /etc/init.d.
>
> Has it been removed, then?

No, of course not. What H.S. probably wanted to say is that Debian
treats runlevels 2-5 equally and leaves differentiating between them to
the local system administrator, unlike Fedora where runlevels 2, 3 and 5
are configured very differently.

> I used to use init 0, init 1 and init 6 frequently
> until someone told me a few months ago that
>
> shutdown -(whatever) now
>
> is better for the system.

If you use shutdown, it will send a message to all logged in users and
then call init to do the job, so it is not really different.

Sven


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"H.S." 02-17-2009 09:43 PM

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Ron Johnson wrote:
> On 02/17/2009 03:58 PM, H.S. wrote:

>>
>> Other than this, you will find this list very helpful. Searching google
>> usually gives pretty good hits too.
>>
>> Coming from Fedora, it may be no useful to know that there is no
>> runlevel (init x) command in Debian as there is in Fedora.
>
> Sure there is. The difference is that Debian doesn't differentiate
> between rc2-5.
>
>> Most common
>> use for me of these commands was to restart the gui. In debian, almost
>> all such services are controlled scripts in /etc/init.d.
>
> Who's files are symlinked from rc1-6.
>

Ah, thanks.


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Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo 02-18-2009 10:51 AM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
Am Dienstag, den 17.02.2009, 15:53 -0600 schrieb Ron Johnson:
> On 02/17/2009 03:00 PM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> > Downloaded netinst AMD64 but no GUI. Now, installing fglrx.
> netinst might not have a GUI installer? (The Lenny GUI looks
> exactly like the TUI installer, and isn't very difficult.)

Sorry, I expressed myself wrong. Netinst installed ok (graphical
expert), but X didnt start. Then, installed fglrx:

# apt-get update
# apt-get install module-assistant fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src
# module-assistant auto-install fglrx-kernel-src
# aticonfig --initial

but the screen flashes white. Turned "fglrx" to "radeonhd" in x.conf,
works, but no 3d driver. Well, Im not that interested in graphics, note:
fglrx worked fine on fedora10 until yesterday on the same computer.

> > Is there any short install guide (like http://www.fedorafaq.org/) you
> > can suggest for a debian newbie?
> Maybe http://www.debian-administration.org/

Very fuzzy. You can read the former and be crystal clear into fedora in
10 minutes. Im sure Debian has something like that.

Thanks, my best regards.
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Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo 02-18-2009 11:00 AM

Fedora guy asking for Debian guide
 
Am Dienstag, den 17.02.2009, 16:58 -0500 schrieb H.S.:
> Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> > Is there any short install guide (like http://www.fedorafaq.org/) you
> > can suggest for a debian newbie?
> There is http://www.debian.org/.
> Plus, you can also consult http://www.debianhelp.org/.

No, man, too much detail, im yet into linux, this actual list is better
than both of them pages. Yet my suggestion its called "fedorafaq.org",
is both a faq and an install guide.

> Coming from Fedora,
> ... there is no runlevel (init x)
> ... services are controlled scripts in /etc/init.d.
> ... Packages are managed (installed, removed, reinstalled, searched, etc.)
> ... using aptitude (recommended) or apt-get (older program).
> ... other alternative is to use synaptic package manager
> Debs packages ... specified in /etc/apt/source.list file.

Ok, thanks, some already knew, some don't. Prefer apt-get, seems rock-solid
and clearly faster than yum.

> Welcome to Debian!

Thanks :)
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"Douglas A. Tutty" 02-18-2009 01:27 PM

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On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 07:51:00AM -0400, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 17.02.2009, 15:53 -0600 schrieb Ron Johnson:
> > On 02/17/2009 03:00 PM, Rodolfo Alcazar Portillo wrote:

> > > Is there any short install guide (like http://www.fedorafaq.org/) you
> > > can suggest for a debian newbie?
> > Maybe http://www.debian-administration.org/


Although its a bit dated, the debian-reference (package
debian-reference) or from the debian website is a good overview of how
debian works. Then there's harden-doc for security issues. The debian
policy manual?

Doug.


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