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Old 01-05-2009, 08:41 PM
Jochen Schulz
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

Bernard:
>
> Do you think that just any usb mouse will do the job, or have I better
> ordering a specific DELL mouse ?

No, any USB mouse will do.

> For I have not been able to get WiFi working so far !

lspci
iwconfig

> Do you recommend to give it a quick extra trial before installing Debian
> Lenny, or have I better switch right away ?

I don't see why you try to make it all work if you are going to throw
the system away anyway.

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Old 01-05-2009, 08:59 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

On 01/05/09 15:41, Jochen Schulz wrote:
[snip]


I don't see why you try to make it all work if you are going to throw
the system away anyway.


Theoretically, the manufacturer has tested the stick configuration.
So, if you can get it work with stock, you should be able to get
it to work with a different distro.


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Old 01-05-2009, 09:09 PM
Micha Feigin
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

Sorry, sent off list by mistake.

On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:29:36 +0100
Bernard <bdebreil@teaser.fr> wrote:

> Hi to Everyone,
>
> I've received my new DELL Inspiron 1525... It surely takes some time to
> get used to such a difference, whatever you speak of the overall size,
> the keyboard, Ubuntu... and, above all, the touchpad, which I find
> absolutely horrible. I thought I could just plug any spare mouse, but I

Sorry to hear that.

> now realize that it has to be an USB mouse... didn't even know about
> these, this is to say how old is my equipment
>
> Do you think that just any usb mouse will do the job, or have I better
> ordering a specific DELL mouse ?
>

You can plug in any usb mouse you want. It's been some time since laptops came
with a ps2 port. You can get a usb to ps/2 adaptor if you want but a usb mouse
is probably cheaper.

> I can't keep using that touchpad. The plate is not hard enough, and the
> course of your pointer does vary depending of how light or heavy is the
> touch ; most times it appears difficult to go from one screen end to the
> other. Doing this, if your pointer stays more that a few tenth of a
> second on a live word, it will carry you there, even without any button
> pressing. On my old thinkpad, there was a red button in the midst of the
> keyboard, and it was just wonderful, compared to that failure...
>

The trackpoint I believe it's called only exists on top end dells (latitudes)
and thinkpads (t series, not sure if the new t500 and t400 still have it)

You should try to play with the touchpad settings. It's probably and alps on
that machine so it's a bit more limited than the synaptic touchpad but are
still configurable.

Have a look at gsynaptic (graphic) or synclient (command line, included in the
synaptic x driver package) to play with the settings.
You can change speed, acceleration, sensitivity and whether tapping the
touchpad works as a button press.

> To the Ubuntu GNOME desktop, I have to get used to, at least for some
> time, since I am planning to install Debian Lenny instead, as soon as
> possible, but not before I have checked that everything worked "as is",
> especially WiFi.
>
> For I have not been able to get WiFi working so far !
>

Check what wifi card you have installed (lspci possibly with -vv to get more
verbose output) and we can probably help more.

> The UBUNTU v8.04 Gnome Desktop proposes a few things to get wifi
> working, but it does not work here. On my Desktop computer (running on
> Debian Sarge half upgraded to Etch), WiFi works on my DSL box/router,
> whether with WEP or WPA encryption. My old Thinkpad 600 worked WiFi only
> on WEP encryption. This one does not work at all so far ; no doubt that
> it is my mistake, but I'd like to kwow which one is mine. The automated
> process "network tools" has not given any success. I have tried to
> insert my WPA encryption key in /etc/network/interfaces as I have done
> on my Desktop, but I had no success. A ping on 192.168.1.1 gives no
> result either. I have not forgotten to switch the side button that is
> supposed to switch the network ON/OFF.
>
> Do you recommend to give it a quick extra trial before installing Debian
> Lenny, or have I better switch right away ?
>
> Micha Feigin wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 04 Jan 2009 21:38:39 +0100
> >Bernard <bdebreil@teaser.fr> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Micha Feigin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 15:05:31 +0100
> >>>Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On 2009-01-04 11:28:10 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>And BTW, the ThinkPads will waste up to 3W more in Linux than in
> >>>>>Windows, so keep that in mind when you look at battery life figures.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Is there any reason? Is this specific to ThinkPads?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>From talks on linux-thinkpad it is not currently know exactly why, mostly
> >>
> >>
> >>>speculations. Either more agresive throttling of the graphics chip and/or
> >>>putting pci to sleep. Possibly more optimizations
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>What I can say is that, with my old Thinkpad 600 then running under
> >>RedHat 7.2, I could expect at least three hours of work with the
> >>battery, even three and a half hours when the battery was new (I used
> >>that thing for about 6-7 years, and this is my third battery). Even
> >>though I did have a small MSWIN partition (Windows 98), I have never
> >>used it long enough to evaluate how long my laptop would work on battery
> >>under that OS, but I doubt that it would have be 3X more, that is 9 to
> >>10 hours.
> >>
> >>This Thinkpad 600 was just a perfect machine. It ran at least 4 hours a
> >>day, often 6-8 hours daily for more than 5 years ; everything worked
> >>perfectly. I still have that machine, but then I was unable to get
> >>satisfactory results when it came to operate WiFi. With WEP encription
> >>it worked OK, but no workable issue with WPA. I then tried to install
> >>Debian Etch, which worked OK, but not with WPA. Also, using Debian Etch,
> >>a few utilities are not working properly, such as fan management and
> >>sleep and hibernation modes, which worked perfectly under RedHat 7.2, to
> >>the point that I rarely shutdown ; I just closed the lid. Under Debian
> >>Etch, the log messages say about fan and sleep management : "BIOS too
> >>old"... I bet I could overcome this, but I thought time might have come
> >>
> >>
> >
> >My guess is that the laptop uses APM which is really old. Debian must have
> >phased it out, but you can check the packages if there is still APM support
> >instead of acpi. Otherwise you can check if there is a bios upgrade to
> >support acpi (they will probably sell it as compatibility upgrade for win2k -
> >thats how toshiba presented it).
> >
> >
> >
> >>to get something newer, since that Thinkpad was only 300 MHz (Pentium 3)
> >>with a Hard Drive of 5 Gb. I then ordered a DELL Inspiron 1525, which I
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It's a lot of bang for the money, but it's a bit heavy and they save money
> >where they don't tell you, such as the touchpad, keyboard, screen. A friend
> >of mine got it just now, we'll see how it holds up.
> >
> >
> >
> >>should receive tomorrow. This is an experiment, also a bet, with the
> >>advantage of a really low cost. It costs about as much as those new
> >>mini-computers or internet-computers, but this is a real machine. If it
> >>fails, I will take advantage of the warranty and services, and, in any
> >>case, that will be an experience. True enough : if I decide that it is a
> >>mistake, no warranty that good reliable computers such as Thinkpad T61
> >>will then still be available...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >T61 is a bit old now but still available. Reviews of the t500/t400 seem to be
> >mixed (especially regarding the keyboard, not sure about the screen).
> >
> >
> >
> >>I will let you know of my impressions when I receive that laptop. It is
> >>supposed to run on Ubuntu, but I wish to install Debian Lenny instead.
> >>Indeed, Ubuntu is probably OK, but I bet that it will include something
> >>like Gnome or KDE, and I am more at ease with fvwm. I hope that the
> >>removal of Ubuntu and replacing by Lenny will not genearate problems as
> >>far as managing fan, video, sleep and hibernation modes, or with WiFi
> >>capabilities with WPA encryption.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Old 01-06-2009, 10:29 AM
"Koh Choon Lin"
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

> Do you think that just any usb mouse will do the job, or have I better
> ordering a specific DELL mouse ?

OT: I am looking for a three button mouse but I do not seems to find
one wheel-less. Anyone has an idea?


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Old 01-06-2009, 10:49 AM
"Dotan Cohen"
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

2009/1/6 Koh Choon Lin <kohchoonlin0@gmail.com>:
>> Do you think that just any usb mouse will do the job, or have I better
>> ordering a specific DELL mouse ?
>
> OT: I am looking for a three button mouse but I do not seems to find
> one wheel-less. Anyone has an idea?
>

I do not recall _ever_ seeing a USB three-button mouse without a wheel.

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Old 01-06-2009, 11:59 AM
Kent West
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>> Do you think that just any usb mouse will do the job, or have I better
>> ordering a specific DELL mouse ?
>>
>
> OT: I am looking for a three button mouse but I do not seems to find
> one wheel-less. Anyone has an idea?
>
>

You had mentioned earlier that you were unfamiliar with USB mice, so I
just wanted to make sure you understand that the scroll wheel doubles as
the third button. (Also, you probably want an optical mouse rather than
a roller-ball mouse; fewer moving parts, more reliable generally.)

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Old 01-06-2009, 12:39 PM
"Koh Choon Lin"
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

>> OT: I am looking for a three button mouse but I do not seems to find
>> one wheel-less. Anyone has an idea?
>>
> I do not recall _ever_ seeing a USB three-button mouse without a wheel.

I am currently using such a mouse from Sun. Too bad its failing and I
hope to get a replacement soon.

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Old 01-06-2009, 12:49 PM
Kent West
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

Koh Choon Lin wrote:
>>> OT: I am looking for a three button mouse but I do not seems to find
>>> one wheel-less. Anyone has an idea?
>>>
>>>
>> I do not recall _ever_ seeing a USB three-button mouse without a wheel.
>>
>
> I am currently using such a mouse from Sun. Too bad its failing and I
> hope to get a replacement soon.
>
> http://www.actionpc.com/ebay_tools/hotlink/imgproc.php?pic=/home/actionpc/public_html/ebaypix/sunusbmnkb-01.jpg
>

Oh I hated those mice! Mostly because they don't have a scroll wheel;
you get spoiled to a scroll wheel really fast.

(You also get spoiled to the two-finger scrolling on a track-pad fast
too. I love it on my Debian lappy and on my Macbook; I get so frustrated
when I sit down at a Windows laptop and don't have that feature.)


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Old 01-06-2009, 01:25 PM
"Stackpole, Chris"
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

> From: Bernard [mailto:bdebreil@teaser.fr]
> Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:30 PM
> Subject: my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations
>
[snip]
> For I have not been able to get WiFi working so far !
>
> The UBUNTU v8.04 Gnome Desktop proposes a few things to get wifi
> working, but it does not work here. On my Desktop computer (running on
> Debian Sarge half upgraded to Etch), WiFi works on my DSL box/router,
> whether with WEP or WPA encryption. My old Thinkpad 600 worked WiFi
only
> on WEP encryption. This one does not work at all so far ; no doubt
that
> it is my mistake, but I'd like to kwow which one is mine. The
automated
> process "network tools" has not given any success. I have tried to
> insert my WPA encryption key in /etc/network/interfaces as I have done
> on my Desktop, but I had no success. A ping on 192.168.1.1 gives no
> result either. I have not forgotten to switch the side button that is
> supposed to switch the network ON/OFF.

If you have not used Ubuntu recently, the wireless configurations are
/much/ different then they were in Debian Etch. Try using "network
manager"; I bet the icon is in the top right of your screen by the clock
(looks like 2 computers). Left click to see the wireless networks it has
found, right click to see the properties information. Also, right after
a fresh boot up, it will take a few minutes for it to scan/find wireless
networks (I kid you not, it takes a full 2 minutes to find my wireless
network on my Ubuntu 8.10 laptop). So give it time. Once it scans the
area, it should present a drop down menu of all the wireless networks
found (left click). If you have your SSID set to "hidden" you will have
to select the "connect to Hidden Network" option. Both options bring you
to the same menu where you can define your network, your encryption, and
your password/phrase. That should be it to get you connected.

If you try to do networking/wireless "the Debian way" in Ubuntu, you
have to disable/remove network manager first. You will have issues if
you don't. You will probably find that people tend to either love or
loath "network manager".

>
> Do you recommend to give it a quick extra trial before installing
Debian
> Lenny, or have I better switch right away ?

I would give it a trial. Also, please do yourself and anyone helping you
a favor and look at the hardware before hand. I have heard several
stories of these laptops being shipped with binary blobs for drivers.
Also, a friend got one of the first Ubuntu-preinstalled Dell laptops. We
were unable to get Etch to install and we were unable to get Lenny
working right. The latest Sid and Ubuntu worked though (This was almost
a year ago so I hope things have changed for the better). If I were you
I would look through all the hardware and do a few Google searches to
make sure that the Debian version you are going to install will work (or
at least find out how much work it will take to get the drivers to
work).

I hope this helps. May the drivers be included on install and your
configuration smooth!

Have fun!
~Stack~


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Old 01-06-2009, 01:55 PM
"Stackpole, Chris"
 
Default my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations

> From: Stackpole, Chris [mailto:CStackpole@barbnet.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 8:25 AM
> Subject: RE: my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations
>
> > From: Bernard [mailto:bdebreil@teaser.fr]
> > Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 3:30 PM
> > Subject: my new Inspiron - WAS: OT: laptop recomendations
> >
> [snip]
> > For I have not been able to get WiFi working so far !
> >
> > The UBUNTU v8.04 Gnome Desktop proposes a few things to get wifi
> > working, but it does not work here. On my Desktop computer (running
on
> > Debian Sarge half upgraded to Etch), WiFi works on my DSL
box/router,
> > whether with WEP or WPA encryption. My old Thinkpad 600 worked WiFi
> only
> > on WEP encryption. This one does not work at all so far ; no doubt
> that
> > it is my mistake, but I'd like to kwow which one is mine. The
> automated
> > process "network tools" has not given any success. I have tried to
> > insert my WPA encryption key in /etc/network/interfaces as I have
done
> > on my Desktop, but I had no success. A ping on 192.168.1.1 gives no
> > result either. I have not forgotten to switch the side button that
is
> > supposed to switch the network ON/OFF.
>
> If you have not used Ubuntu recently, the wireless configurations are
> /much/ different then they were in Debian Etch. Try using "network
> manager"; I bet the icon is in the top right of your screen by the
clock
> (looks like 2 computers). Left click to see the wireless networks it
has
> found, right click to see the properties information. Also, right
after
> a fresh boot up, it will take a few minutes for it to scan/find
wireless
> networks (I kid you not, it takes a full 2 minutes to find my wireless
> network on my Ubuntu 8.10 laptop). So give it time. Once it scans the
> area, it should present a drop down menu of all the wireless networks
> found (left click). If you have your SSID set to "hidden" you will
have
> to select the "connect to Hidden Network" option. Both options bring
you
> to the same menu where you can define your network, your encryption,
and
> your password/phrase. That should be it to get you connected.
>
> If you try to do networking/wireless "the Debian way" in Ubuntu, you
> have to disable/remove network manager first. You will have issues if
> you don't. You will probably find that people tend to either love or
> loath "network manager".
>
> >
> > Do you recommend to give it a quick extra trial before installing
> Debian
> > Lenny, or have I better switch right away ?
>
> I would give it a trial. Also, please do yourself and anyone helping
you
> a favor and look at the hardware before hand. I have heard several
> stories of these laptops being shipped with binary blobs for drivers.
> Also, a friend got one of the first Ubuntu-preinstalled Dell laptops.
We
> were unable to get Etch to install and we were unable to get Lenny
> working right. The latest Sid and Ubuntu worked though (This was
almost
> a year ago so I hope things have changed for the better). If I were
you
> I would look through all the hardware and do a few Google searches to
> make sure that the Debian version you are going to install will work
(or
> at least find out how much work it will take to get the drivers to
> work).
>
> I hope this helps. May the drivers be included on install and your
> configuration smooth!
>
> Have fun!
> ~Stack~

One thing I wanted to add to this (just remembered while answering
another topic). Debian does have Live CD's that can be tested out [1]. I
have had a few issues with them not detecting hardware yet the install
had no problems at all. Most of the time these issues have been a simple
fix (a module not being loaded or something easy like that). They should
be good enough for you to see how much work it is going to require for
your devices to function properly. Plus you can test out Etch, Lenny,
and Sid to see which one works best for you. That way you don't have to
spend time to do multiple installs.

Hope everything goes smoothly for you!

Have fun!
~Stack~

[1] http://live.debian.net/cdimage/


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