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Old 01-02-2009, 11:36 AM
"Zoltán Varga"
 
Default debian-user-digest Digest V2009 #12

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debian-user-digest Digest * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Volume 2009 : Issue 12



Today's Topics:

*Re: OT: laptop recomendations * * * * [ "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss@iguan ]

*Re: OT: laptop recomendations * * * * [ "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss@iguan ]

*kde Lenny testing * * * * * * * * * * [ "Sonny Jordan" <sonnyrme2@gmail.com ]

*Re: Suggestion about file permission *[ "Boyd Stephen Smith Jr." <bss@iguan ]

*Re: Failed Lenny Installs - Etch Ins *[ chris <nws@cevnet.mine.nu> ]

*Re: hard crash on leap second * * * * [ Bob Cox <debian-user@lists.bobcox.c ]

*Re: kde Lenny testing * * * * * * * * [ "Tshepang Lekhonkhobe" <tshepang@gm ]

*Re: Nice looking terminal applicatio *[ "David Schmidt" <davewood@gmx.at> ]

*Re: monitoring HP NetRaid-1si hardwa *[ Arthur Marsh <arthur.marsh@internod ]

*Re: Nice looking terminal applicatio *[ "Kelly Clowers" <kelly.clowers@gmai ]

*Re: Transferring pictures from a dig *[ Bob Cox <debian-user@lists.bobcox.c ]

*How to connect a Host to tunnel (so * [ Jabka Atu <mashrom.head@gmail.com> ]

*[solved] Re: grub2 and ext4 * * * * * [ Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> ]


On Thursday 01 January 2009, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi

<raju.mailinglists@gmail.com> wrote about 'Re: OT: laptop recomendations':

>Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:

>> On Wednesday 2008 December 10 16:45:09 Micha Feigin wrote:

>>>Runner up is Dell, although the hardware seems a bit cheap when looking

>>> at the drivers (especially the touchpad which tends to be alps which

>>> isn't up to par with the synaptic).

>>

>> I'm happy with my Dell Inspiron E1505. *My roommate is happy with his

>> more recent laptop purchase from Dell. *My other roommate likes his

>> Thinkpad, but it is a much older system, so I can't say that reflects

>> the quality of current Thinkpads.

>

>I own a Dell Inspiron E1505. I do not recommend it. Get something else

>(preferably non-Dell).

>

>I always have problems with their batteries, video card. No matter how

> many times I replace the batteries, they seem to go bad after some time.

> I replaced the battery 3 times. After 3-4 months the battery life will

> be reduced to less than 1 hour and then after some time, they just don't

> work.



I'm still using the original battery, although I did get a spare for when I

will eventually wear out. *It depends on what I'm doing, but 4 hours of

battery life is not unheard of, nearly 1.5 years after the purchase date.



Running the DVD drive constantly *significantly* reduces that, but I can

still use it for at least 90 minutes watching a DVD while running on the

battery.



>As for the video card, if I play a flash based movie in windows XP, there

>will be a "blue screen memory map" error after some time. FWIW, the

> movies work fine in Linux. I searched in google for this and found that

> the video cards in Dell Inspiron E1505 are defective.



Link please?



I'd never even consider installing MS Windows on mine, but I've never had a

video-card related kernel panic or even X crash. *I've played plenty of

flash-based video in Linux. *The card / drivers don't seem to like each

other a whole lot though. *My Etch/Lenny mix I had on it until Dec. 8th

needed to be switched to a test-mode VC and back before it would display

anything after a resume. *The openSUSE 11.1 (for work I need turnpike and

the Novell/Nortel plugin) I'm running on it right now appears to do that

for me.



>In general, I think Dell's hardware is unreliable. They work fine

> initially. But after 1 year or so, things start to fall apart. This is

> if you plan to use laptop intensively (say 8-10 hours a day). But if you

> just use it for 1-2 hours a day, then it's life might be more.



Mine is a work laptop. *I generally use it 8 hours, 5 days a week. *It gets

even more use if I've got some problems with my desktop, up to ~12 hours,

7 days a week.



The only hardware-related problem I had with it was a "stuck *row*" in the

LCD panel. *I lived with it for a while, even using it as a guide for how

I partitioned my desktop with windows (to hide it in the window borders).

However, when I finally got around to calling Dell, they replaced the LCD

panel with no cost to me, sending a technician w/ parts to my workplace so

downtime was minimal.



Anyway, I'm not sure my experience with a laptop is "norm". *You probably

should get multiple (>3) opinions on vendors/models you are considering.

--

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. * * * * * * * * * * ,= ,-_-. =.

bss@iguanasuicide.net * * * * * * * * * * ((_/)o o(\_))

ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy * * * * * `-'(. .)`-'

http://iguanasuicide.net/ * * * * * * * * * * *\_/


On Friday 02 January 2009, Mark Allums <mark@allums.com> wrote about 'Re:

OT: laptop recomendations':

>Don't blame Dell for the video being defective, in this case. *The

>culprit is NVidia, and all laptop makers are at their mercy.



The laptop in question (Inspiron E1505) has an Intel video card.

--

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. * * * * * * * * * * ,= ,-_-. =.

bss@iguanasuicide.net * * * * * * * * * * ((_/)o o(\_))

ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy * * * * * `-'(. .)`-'

http://iguanasuicide.net/ * * * * * * * * * * *\_/


Just want to say I have been slowly & patiently waiting for the stable release of 'Lenny".
I have been trying others for fun. I decided tonight to go ahead & download the testing release of the KDE* Lenny. I AM SO GLAD Y'ALL DID NOT USE THE STUPID & PITIFUL 'PULSE AUDIO'.!!


I can actually hear my music with debian! I can also record Streamtuner!!* I know it is not nice to mention names so I will just use the first letter of other distros using Debian repos that really suck on the afore mentioned.* I have tried U, K, UUE & Mint(sorry) And only Mint Records But still cannot adjust volume to hear it good..


I haveused Debian since around 3. I love Debian! It is quick,Understandale, & easy! The Debian install stinks though. No live CD. Takes about 20 min. to install. BUT it is worth it!
Love your KDE version so far! I hope it is on the stable release.


To all the people working on Debian...THANK YOU for the pleasure of being able to use & say that Debian is my desktop!
Thank You,
Sonny Jordan


On Thursday 01 January 2009, grok <grok@resist.ca> wrote about 'Suggestion

about file permissions being listed in debian packages':

>A lot of issues with users come about because of incorrect

>file/dir permissions (for whatever reasons. Make no

>assumptions, please. There's a good reason why Ubuntu now

>exists).



I don't know that's true, but I'll assume it is for the benefit of further

discussion.



>Wouldn't the '/var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.list' files be

>the perfect place to explicitly lay out the file & directory

>permissions/user/group info for each file in a package?



Yes.



>That

>way, the users could, if necessary, check the present state

>of their packages by this list, first, to see if their

>problems might possibly be cleared up by adherence to this

>schema. The worst that could happen would be that the info

>in the .list file would be wrong -- itself a symptom of a

>bad install, etc.



I agree.



>Does this make sense?



Yes.



Try searching the archives for previous discussions (I don't remember any,

but the list has been around a *long* time), you might find some less

agreeable points of view that will help sharpen your argument. *Assuming

no one pipes up here with an issue after a week or so. *File a bug

(wishlist priority) against the "general" pseudo-package, and follow up

it's opening with a mail to debian-devel; that should get the ball

rolling.

--

Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. * * * * * * * * * * ,= ,-_-. =.

bss@iguanasuicide.net * * * * * * * * * * ((_/)o o(\_))

ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy * * * * * `-'(. .)`-'

http://iguanasuicide.net/ * * * * * * * * * * *\_/


On Thu, 01 Jan 2009 13:46:10 -0500, Bill Diehl wrote:



> So, I installed Etch r5 i386 without any problems.



You do know that if you change "etch" to "lenny" in /etc/apt/

sources.list, you can upgrade your system to testing? You do not need the

Lenny-cd to get Lenny: you have a working system and internet access.





Have fun!


On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 20:31:50 -0500, Paul Cartwright (ale@pcartwright.com) wrote:



> On Thu January 1 2009, Paul Cartwright wrote:

> > On Thu January 1 2009, Bob Cox wrote:

> > > > no, I have an always-on DSL connection.

> > > > Westell modem->linksys router->PC.

> > >

> > > Hi Paul - what's the output from ntpq -p please?

> >

> and then:

> # ntpq -p

> * * *remote * * * * * refid * * *st t when poll reach * delay * offset *jitter

> ================================================== ============================

> +keeleysam.com * 129.6.15.28 * * *2 u * 37 * 64 *377 * 62.332 *158.333 360.774

> +wsip-98-172-32- 129.7.1.66 * * * 2 u * 37 * 64 *377 * 85.031 *131.351 241.558

> +doctor-who.chpc 204.152.184.72 * 2 u * 39 * 64 *377 *388.316 *265.047 260.877

> +splenda.rustyte 99.150.184.201 * 2 u * 39 * 64 *377 *409.798 *277.070 309.525

> +kiri.nonexiste. 64.34.180.101 * *3 u * 40 * 64 *377 * 68.400 *127.708 308.037

> *smtp.housefront 198.72.72.10 * * 3 u * 37 * 64 *377 * 88.059 *121.465 240.557

> *wuarchive.wustl .INIT. * * * * *16 u * *- * 64 * *0 * *0.000 * *0.000 * 0.000

> *gilbreth.ecn.pu .INIT. * * * * *16 u * *- * 64 * *0 * *0.000 * *0.000 * 0.000

> *10.10.10.10 * * .INIT. * * * * *16 u * *- * 64 * *0 * *0.000 * *0.000 * 0.000

> +otc2.psu.edu * *128.118.2.33 * * 2 u * 46 * 64 *377 *194.937 *193.023 205.449

> +cudns.cit.corne 128.118.25.12 * *2 u * 54 * 64 *377 * 46.661 *130.277 144.958



Hopefully, after it has been running for a while, it will settle down

and you will see smaller offset and jitter values and as that happens

the poll values should rise from 64 to 1024.



--

Bob Cox. *Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK.

Please reply to the list only. *Do NOT send copies directly to me.

Debian on the NSLU2: http://bobcox.com/slug/


On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Sonny Jordan <sonnyrme2@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just want to say I have been slowly & patiently waiting for the stable

> release of 'Lenny".

> I have been trying others for fun. I decided tonight to go ahead & download

> the testing release of the KDE *Lenny. I AM SO GLAD Y'ALL DID NOT USE THE

> STUPID & PITIFUL 'PULSE AUDIO'.!!

> I can actually hear my music with debian! I can also record Streamtuner!! *I

> know it is not nice to mention names so I will just use the first letter of

> other distros using Debian repos that really suck on the afore mentioned. *I

> have tried U, K, UUE & Mint(sorry) And only Mint Records But still cannot

> adjust volume to hear it good..

> I haveused Debian since around 3. I love Debian! It is quick,Understandale,

> & easy! The Debian install stinks though. No live CD. Takes about 20 min. to

> install. BUT it is worth it!



How long does it normally take to install desktops of other distros?



> Love your KDE version so far! I hope it is on the stable release.

> To all the people working on Debian...THANK YOU for the pleasure of being

> able to use & say that Debian is my desktop!



Nice that you like Debian!



--

my place on the web:

floss-and-misc.blogspot.com


On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 12:32 AM, ghe <ghe@slsware.com> wrote:

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> Maurí*cio wrote:

>

>> I've realized most of my time in a computer I use

>> just an input/output line. (I don't even need a

>> vt100-like terminal, since I use 'ed' or 'sam' as

>> text-editors.) But I still need X because of

>> utf-8 fonts and anti-aliasing.

>>

>> Is it possible to get that without X? Can I get

>> my text-only terminal to use utf-8 and nice fonts?

>

> Define "nice" :-) It's possible to change the console font from huge to

> civilized (don't remember how; last time I did that, it involved some

> secret numbers on a grub menu line, I think), but you can't specify a

> *really* nice variable spaced, anti-aliased PS1/TT font, AFAIK.

>

> I bite the bullet and use X to get scrolling. Being able to get to those

> 2000 lines that just flew by can make life a lot easier.

>

> - --

> Glenn English

> ghe@slsware.com

>

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>

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on a side note:



I like to use screen to see output that flew buy



Ctrl-A [



puts screen in copy mode where you can navigate the output with

up/down pageup/pagedown



followed by







--

David Schmidt * | * http://www.fm5.at


Douglas A. Tutty wrote, on 2009-01-02 15:21:


I have four HP NetServer LPr PII/450 servers. *Two of them have HP

NetRaid 1si hardware raid cards *(the others have NetRaid-1 cards).




Have you posted this query to the HP business support forums? Registration is required but fairly painless:



http://forums13.itrc.hp.com/service/forums/familyhome.do?familyId=118


On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 15:32, ghe <ghe@slsware.com> wrote:

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> Hash: SHA1

>

> Maurí*cio wrote:

>

>> I've realized most of my time in a computer I use

>> just an input/output line. (I don't even need a

>> vt100-like terminal, since I use 'ed' or 'sam' as

>> text-editors.) But I still need X because of

>> utf-8 fonts and anti-aliasing.

>>

>> Is it possible to get that without X? Can I get

>> my text-only terminal to use utf-8 and nice fonts?

>

> Define "nice" :-) It's possible to change the console font from huge to

> civilized (don't remember how; last time I did that, it involved some

> secret numbers on a grub menu line, I think), but you can't specify a

> *really* nice variable spaced,



<snip>



There is nothing "nice" about variable width fonts on the CLI :-)





Cheers,

Kelly Clowers


On Thu, Jan 01, 2009 at 23:59:44 -0200, Daniel Cliff (daniel.cliff.email@gmail.com) wrote:



> On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Milan SKOCIC <milan.skocic@gmail.com> wrote:

> > "F-Spot is meant to be an easy-to-use photo management

> > application. *It allows for importing of your existing

> > photo collections, tagging photos with identifiers,

> > as well as doing simple edits of photos".

> >

> > Personally I use it and I'm satisfied.

> >

> > Milan.

>

> I just tried it out and it's pretty nice, but I would like something

> more specialized to transfer the pictures from the camera to a local

> folder. Does anyone know if there is something like that?

> Specifically, I would like to:

> _ delete the pictures in the camera after successful file transfer (I

> guess most people normally do that in order to take new pictures,

> right?),

> _ rename the files according to some pattern (eg 20090101_001.jpg,

> 20090101_002.jpg etc)



One way is to use a simple script to rename each image file to a date

and time based format, such as YYYYMMDD-HHMMSS.jpg based on the image's

EXIF data. *These data can be extracted with, for example, exiftime,

which is part of the exiftags package.



--

Bob Cox. *Stoke Gifford, near Bristol, UK.

Please reply to the list only. *Do NOT send copies directly to me.

Debian on the NSLU2: http://bobcox.com/slug/


Howdy ,



I used to ssh tunnel's to overcome NAT problems and just for fun.

One of the thins is to do ssh -L portonmypc:NATip:NATport

user@sshServerInFrontofNat

This will bring the abiulty to use most of things.



The question is there a way to connect this kind of tunnel to fakeip ?

for example something in type of :

/etc/hosts

iport natedpc.somedomain natedpc



so you can use your laptop (pc ) without further edittions.

what i mean is that if i used (

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSH_VPN ) type i would need to set it

on two or more pc the tun devices , but i wish to do all the settings on

one pc.



--

---==== Jabka Atu ===---

* *bsh83.blogspot.com

---=== Encryption is a way of life ===---


Sorry, turns out it was my bad. There was the wrong kernel installed in the

main partition, it was an xfs kernel instead of a ext4 kernel.



bottom line if anyone is interested. grub2 works with an ext4 root, you need a

kernel with ext4 support (2.6.28 at least) in that partition, one that does xfs

only will not work ;-)



On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 21:29:49 +0200

Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:



> turns out the issue is ext4 which doesn't work with grub, but it does with

> grub2. The problem is that the kernel seems to miss read the partition.

>

> I setup another partition to rescue my system so now I have

> sda1: ext4 - original system

> sda5: ext3 - small rescue system

>

> grub2 installed on both (current is suppoesed to boot from sda1)

>

> if I set in grub

> set root=(hd0,5)

> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28 root=/dev/sda1 ro

>

> everything works fine

>

> If I set

> set root=(hd0,1)

> linux /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28 root=/dev/sda1 ro

>

> I get a kernel panic: couldn't load root file system tried: xfs

>

> any idea on how I can get the kernel to recognize that it has ext4 file system

> so that I can dump the rescue partition (i.e make the first option work)?

>

> Thanx

>

>

> On Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:22:32 +0200

> Micha Feigin <michf@post.tau.ac.il> wrote:

>

> > After the last update grub started booting into the command line (shows

> > grub> ) and seems to ignore menu.lst. I managed to boot by setting

> > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.28

> > boot

> > I then tried to reinstall the kernel hoping that it would fix grub but now

> > when I try the same method to boot I get the error

> > Invalid or unsupported executable format

> > The drive is formated to ext4. grub worked after that but maybe the kernel

> > was written in a different method now?

> >

> > any ideas?

> >

> > thanks

> >

> >

>

>
 
Old 01-02-2009, 12:49 PM
Andrei Popescu
 
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On Fri,02.Jan.09, 13:36:13, Zoltán Varga wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Does anyone know how to unsubscribe from this newsletter? I accidentally
> deleted the adequate e-mail which contained the unsubscribe URL. Thanks in
> advance, sorry for the off.
>
> Bye!
>
> Zoltan
>
> 2009/1/2 <debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org>

Most probably you need to send an e-mail to this ^^^^^ address with a
subject of 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes).

Regards,
Andrei
P.S. CC'd you in order to get the answer sooner that the digest.
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Old 01-02-2009, 03:09 PM
"Douglas A. Tutty"
 
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On Fri, Jan 02, 2009 at 03:49:52PM +0200, Andrei Popescu wrote:
> On Fri,02.Jan.09, 13:36:13, Zolt?n Varga wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > Does anyone know how to unsubscribe from this newsletter? I accidentally
> > deleted the adequate e-mail which contained the unsubscribe URL. Thanks in
> > advance, sorry for the off.
> >
> > Bye!
> >
> > Zoltan
> >
> > 2009/1/2 <debian-user-digest-request@lists.debian.org>
>
> Most probably you need to send an e-mail to this ^^^^^ address with a
> subject of 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes).

You can also go to http://lists.debian.org, choose the
debian-user-digest list, and fill in your email address and click on
unsubscribe.

Doug.


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