I have one video card and one monitor, running Etch amd64 with an
Etch-i386 chroot for flash. I log in from the VT and run startx to get
X going. I run icewm.

I have my usual username for regular use and web browsing with
javascript and flash turned off (actually, in amd64 there is no flash).

I have a second username for browsing the web when a site needs
javascript or flash, this user using the iceweasel in the chroot.

That's just the background and the problem doesn't have anything to do
with iceweasel.

The problem:

Log is as one user (doesn't matter which), startx, get a normal X
display looking as it should.

Now log in as the other user and run
/usr/bin/startx -- :1

and everything is a bit larger (fonts and icons are a bit bigger).

Actually, even with only one user, if I run
/usr/bin/startx -- :1 (or 0)
then everything is larger than
/usr/bin/startx

That is, with only one instance of the X server running, specifying a
display changes something about how things get rendered.

If I try:
/usr/bin/startx -- -dpi 100 :1

then I just get the gray X screen and no window manager running.

Its only a minor annoyance and I'm assuming that the problem is
somewhere in debian's nested X magic. Even if there isn't a solution,
I'd be interested in knowing the cause.

Any ideas?

Doug.


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> If I try:
> /usr/bin/startx -- -dpi 100 :1
>
> then I just get the gray X screen and no window manager running.


I had them in the wrong order. This works:

/usr/bin/startx -- :0 -dpi 100

for one user and

/usr/bin/startx -- :1 -dpi 100

for the other user.

Now it works and it doesn't matter which user starts X first.

The problem is solved. However, I wonder why the dpi gets reset if you
don't specify it.

Doug.


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On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:42:34PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> I have one video card and one monitor, running Etch amd64 with an
> Etch-i386 chroot for flash. I log in from the VT and run startx to get
> X going. I run icewm.
>
> I have my usual username for regular use and web browsing with
> javascript and flash turned off (actually, in amd64 there is no flash).

Apparently nspluginwrapper allows flash on amd64.

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:09:43PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 10:42:34PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > I have one video card and one monitor, running Etch amd64 with an
> > Etch-i386 chroot for flash. I log in from the VT and run startx to get
> > X going. I run icewm.
> >
> > I have my usual username for regular use and web browsing with
> > javascript and flash turned off (actually, in amd64 there is no flash).
>
> Apparently nspluginwrapper allows flash on amd64.

Last I checked with the maintainer, not for Etch amd64. Yes for Lenny.

If it has been backported to Etch, Lenny is so close now that I can
wait. The effort was in setting up the schroot; running it is automatic
now.

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On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:11:16PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:09:43PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > Apparently nspluginwrapper allows flash on amd64.
>
> Last I checked with the maintainer, not for Etch amd64. Yes for Lenny.

Ahhh! of course. At least you are aware of it.

> If it has been backported to Etch, Lenny is so close now that I can

Mmmm there is a thread about DFSG violations in the kernel on
debian-devel@l.d.o which may delay the actual release. Looks like there
will have to be a GR to sort it out.

I hope they don't "rip out" *too* much hardware support.

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On Wed, Oct 22 2008, Chris Bannister wrote:


> Mmmm there is a thread about DFSG violations in the kernel on
> debian-devel@l.d.o which may delay the actual release. Looks like there
> will have to be a GR to sort it out.
>
> I hope they don't "rip out" *too* much hardware support.

The details of the current work-in-progress are at:
http://womble.decadent.org.uk/blog/for-those-who-care-about-firmware

Please help in testing that. From that page, it looks like most
of the firmware is being moved into separate firmware-foo packages (a
model that works for me with my firmware-iwlwifi driver). There has
been an update since that page was published; we might be able to get
permission to retain ConnectTech WhiteHEAT USB serial adapters (perhaps
in a firmware-whiteheat package).

I would appeal to people to help test the libre kernel pakages;
it would help the release happen faster.

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On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 07:17:20PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:11:16PM -0400, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 08:09:43PM +1300, Chris Bannister wrote:

> > If it has been backported to Etch, Lenny is so close now that I can
>
> Mmmm there is a thread about DFSG violations in the kernel on
> debian-devel@l.d.o which may delay the actual release. Looks like there
> will have to be a GR to sort it out.
>
> I hope they don't "rip out" *too* much hardware support.

Why don't they make a debian version with OpenBSD's kernel? It seems to
support most hardware, with a BSD licence. But then we can't run the
nVidia drivers, and perhaps not watch flash movies. Oh well.

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On Wed, Oct 22 2008, Douglas A. Tutty wrote:


> Why don't they make a debian version with OpenBSD's kernel? It seems to
> support most hardware, with a BSD licence. But then we can't run the
> nVidia drivers, and perhaps not watch flash movies. Oh well.

That would require someone who want to work with the openbsd
kernel to put in the work, create the .debs for all the 11
architectures, arrange for the debian installer to work, ensure that
the kernels work for the 11 architectures, are ported to them etc.
Also, they need to be prepared to work with the security team, the
stable release manager, provide responses to end users having problems,
track security fixes for the kernels, talk with upstream (subscribe to
their mailing lists, bug trackers, etc).

So far, no one with the ability and the inclination has really
undertaken to do the activities above. This is a volunteer
organization, you know. So, if you think that supporting an openBSD
kernel in Debian is a great idea, and should be done, just do the tasks
mentioned above. Or find someone willing and able to do so.

Me, the BSD license is an immediate turn off, so I'm not likely
to want to help. And since any contributions of mine are liable to be
under GPLv3, most likely my contributions will not be appreciated in
the first place.

You?

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