I am about to buy the mobo that Doug Tutty has: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe,
albeit with a more moderate AM2 processor: AMD Athlon X2 4050e 2.1GHz
45W 65nm Dual-Core.
Question I have is what do I run on it, I would prefer restoring a
current i386 system on it and then go on from there.
1) Install i386 version and use that using 32bit kernel.
2) Install amd64 version and use that.
3) Install i386 with amd64 kernel package (i386 sarge includes that) and
amd64-libs to allow running some 64bit programs and most 32bit
(iptables/alsa-utils and other things that talk to some kernel
interfaces have to be 64bit when used with a 64bit kernel I believe).
4) Install amd64 version and ia32-libs to allow running some 32bit
programs and all 64bit.
5) Install i386 with an amd64 kernel package and a 64bit chroot to play
with full 64bit stuff in. (I use this one at the moment).
6) Install amd64 with a i386 chroot to run 32bit packages in.
I would prefer 1) but how does one do that?
Hugo
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07-13-2008, 03:11 PM
"Nuno Magalhães"
i386 or amd64?
I have an Asus mobo with an Athlon64, so i installed amd64. If you
wanna keep i386 stuff maybe have a chroot for the only-32bit (nonfree)
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07-13-2008, 03:18 PM
Ron Johnson
i386 or amd64?
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On 07/13/08 10:05, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am about to buy the mobo that Doug Tutty has: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe,
> albeit with a more moderate AM2 processor: AMD Athlon X2 4050e 2.1GHz
> 45W 65nm Dual-Core.
>
> Question I have is what do I run on it, I would prefer restoring a
> current i386 system on it and then go on from there.
>
> So I found this:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/07/msg00311.html
>
> which lists 6 options:
>
> 1) Install i386 version and use that using 32bit kernel.
> 2) Install amd64 version and use that.
> 3) Install i386 with amd64 kernel package (i386 sarge includes that) and
> amd64-libs to allow running some 64bit programs and most 32bit
> (iptables/alsa-utils and other things that talk to some kernel
> interfaces have to be 64bit when used with a 64bit kernel I believe).
> 4) Install amd64 version and ia32-libs to allow running some 32bit
> programs and all 64bit.
> 5) Install i386 with an amd64 kernel package and a 64bit chroot to play
> with full 64bit stuff in. (I use this one at the moment).
> 6) Install amd64 with a i386 chroot to run 32bit packages in.
>
> I would prefer 1) but how does one do that?
Just install with the i386 disk. The CPU will detect that 32-bit
binaries want to boot, and will switch the system into 32-bit mode.
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07-13-2008, 03:23 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
i386 or amd64?
Ron Johnson wrote:
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On 07/13/08 10:05, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
Hi,
I am about to buy the mobo that Doug Tutty has: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe,
albeit with a more moderate AM2 processor: AMD Athlon X2 4050e 2.1GHz
45W 65nm Dual-Core.
Question I have is what do I run on it, I would prefer restoring a
current i386 system on it and then go on from there.
1) Install i386 version and use that using 32bit kernel.
2) Install amd64 version and use that.
3) Install i386 with amd64 kernel package (i386 sarge includes that) and
amd64-libs to allow running some 64bit programs and most 32bit
(iptables/alsa-utils and other things that talk to some kernel
interfaces have to be 64bit when used with a 64bit kernel I believe).
4) Install amd64 version and ia32-libs to allow running some 32bit
programs and all 64bit.
5) Install i386 with an amd64 kernel package and a 64bit chroot to play
with full 64bit stuff in. (I use this one at the moment).
6) Install amd64 with a i386 chroot to run 32bit packages in.
I would prefer 1) but how does one do that?
Just install with the i386 disk. The CPU will detect that 32-bit
binaries want to boot, and will switch the system into 32-bit mode.
Could I boot with the mondo restore DVD that has been created with the
i386 system?
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07-13-2008, 03:24 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
i386 or amd64?
Nuno Magalhães wrote:
I have an Asus mobo with an Athlon64, so i installed amd64. If you
wanna keep i386 stuff maybe have a chroot for the only-32bit (nonfree)
stuff?
I could do that later, but I want to start off with pure i386 that I
already have. I am on a dialup modem and installing takes 3 days or so.
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07-13-2008, 03:29 PM
"Damon L. Chesser"
i386 or amd64?
On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:05:46 am you wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am about to buy the mobo that Doug Tutty has: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe,
> albeit with a more moderate AM2 processor: AMD Athlon X2 4050e 2.1GHz
> 45W 65nm Dual-Core.
>
> Question I have is what do I run on it, I would prefer restoring a
> current i386 system on it and then go on from there.
>
> So I found this:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/07/msg00311.html
>
> which lists 6 options:
>
> 1) Install i386 version and use that using 32bit kernel.
> 2) Install amd64 version and use that.
> 3) Install i386 with amd64 kernel package (i386 sarge includes that) and
> amd64-libs to allow running some 64bit programs and most 32bit
> (iptables/alsa-utils and other things that talk to some kernel
> interfaces have to be 64bit when used with a 64bit kernel I believe).
> 4) Install amd64 version and ia32-libs to allow running some 32bit
> programs and all 64bit.
> 5) Install i386 with an amd64 kernel package and a 64bit chroot to play
> with full 64bit stuff in. (I use this one at the moment).
> 6) Install amd64 with a i386 chroot to run 32bit packages in.
>
> I would prefer 1) but how does one do that?
>
> Hugo
Hugo,
go here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ look at the links for the archs,
select i386. Install. You are done.
Note: I do not understand the reluctance of not using a 64bit OS at this
time. I do hear that java/flash are not yet fully working on 64bit, but I
don't ever see any issues with it. I do not code, perhaps this is where
people see problems with it? I don't know. I run iceweasel/FF, have
non-free flash, swfdec-mozilla, and I install Sun JRE (allthough right now I
am using default-JRE as Sun is not installable for me in Sid as of
yesterday).
For just browsing the web and doing web things, this has worked for at least a
year, maybe two.
Just my two cents. Get the installer image for i386 and that will be a 32bit
OS.
HTH
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07-13-2008, 03:35 PM
"David Fox"
i386 or amd64?
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am about to buy the mobo that Doug Tutty has: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe, albeit
> with a more moderate AM2 processor: AMD Athlon X2 4050e 2.1GHz 45W 65nm
> Dual-Core.
You should be able to keep the current installation and run everything
32-bit, but as a recent convert to amd64 (here, an ecs 6100-pm-m
motherboard, I elected to switch to ubuntu amd64. Partly due to a
disk provisioning problem and a little lack of foresight, I suppose -
my oldest and most smallest disk on lenny was an old 1.6 gig maxtor,
and it held /var, and there simply wasn't enough room (or ide headers)
to put all 3 ide drives in, plus 2 new sata devices.
For the stuff that I do, amd64 works better. Most everything is 64
bit, but of course there are those things that are only available in
32-bit user space. Fortunately, I've found that they all run fine with
the intel32 lib packages installed, and there's little reason if any
to set up a chroot. Not that I've found, anyway.
And, I paid for the extra bits, so why not use them?
> Question I have is what do I run on it, I would prefer restoring a current
> i386 system on it and then go on from there.
You could - what prevents you from booting off your existing media?
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07-13-2008, 03:42 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
i386 or amd64?
Damon L. Chesser wrote:
On Sunday 13 July 2008 11:05:46 am you wrote:
Hi,
I am about to buy the mobo that Doug Tutty has: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe,
albeit with a more moderate AM2 processor: AMD Athlon X2 4050e 2.1GHz
45W 65nm Dual-Core.
Question I have is what do I run on it, I would prefer restoring a
current i386 system on it and then go on from there.
1) Install i386 version and use that using 32bit kernel.
2) Install amd64 version and use that.
3) Install i386 with amd64 kernel package (i386 sarge includes that) and
amd64-libs to allow running some 64bit programs and most 32bit
(iptables/alsa-utils and other things that talk to some kernel
interfaces have to be 64bit when used with a 64bit kernel I believe).
4) Install amd64 version and ia32-libs to allow running some 32bit
programs and all 64bit.
5) Install i386 with an amd64 kernel package and a 64bit chroot to play
with full 64bit stuff in. (I use this one at the moment).
6) Install amd64 with a i386 chroot to run 32bit packages in.
I would prefer 1) but how does one do that?
Hugo
Hugo,
go here: http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ look at the links for the archs,
select i386. Install. You are done.
Note: I do not understand the reluctance of not using a 64bit OS at this
time. I do hear that java/flash are not yet fully working on 64bit, but I
don't ever see any issues with it. I do not code, perhaps this is where
people see problems with it? I don't know. I run iceweasel/FF, have
non-free flash, swfdec-mozilla, and I install Sun JRE (allthough right now I
am using default-JRE as Sun is not installable for me in Sid as of
yesterday).
<snip>
The only reluctance is time: to get an i386 system off the ground I just
restore, to get an amd64 system installed takes 3 days because I am on a
dialup modem.
Hugo
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07-13-2008, 03:44 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
i386 or amd64?
David Fox wrote:
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:05 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom <hvw59601@care2.com> wrote:
Hi,
I am about to buy the mobo that Doug Tutty has: Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe, albeit
with a more moderate AM2 processor: AMD Athlon X2 4050e 2.1GHz 45W 65nm
Dual-Core.
You should be able to keep the current installation and run everything
32-bit, but as a recent convert to amd64 (here, an ecs 6100-pm-m
motherboard, I elected to switch to ubuntu amd64. Partly due to a
disk provisioning problem and a little lack of foresight, I suppose -
my oldest and most smallest disk on lenny was an old 1.6 gig maxtor,
and it held /var, and there simply wasn't enough room (or ide headers)
to put all 3 ide drives in, plus 2 new sata devices.
For the stuff that I do, amd64 works better. Most everything is 64
bit, but of course there are those things that are only available in
32-bit user space. Fortunately, I've found that they all run fine with
the intel32 lib packages installed, and there's little reason if any
to set up a chroot. Not that I've found, anyway.
And, I paid for the extra bits, so why not use them?
Question I have is what do I run on it, I would prefer restoring a current
i386 system on it and then go on from there.
You could - what prevents you from booting off your existing media?
Nothing: that is what I would do: boot with the mondo restore DVD and
install the SATA disk that I have in the i386 system.
Hugo
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07-13-2008, 03:53 PM
Ron Johnson
i386 or amd64?
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> Ron Johnson wrote:
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>>
>> Just install with the i386 disk. The CPU will detect that 32-bit
>> binaries want to boot, and will switch the system into 32-bit mode.
>>
>
> Could I boot with the mondo restore DVD that has been created with the
> i386 system?
Sure.
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