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Old 07-09-2008, 04:48 AM
"Damon L. Chesser"
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

On Wednesday 09 July 2008 12:31:31 am Can-Hua Chen wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2008 at 11:41:52PM -0400, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > On Tuesday 08 July 2008 11:35:14 pm Damon L. Chesser wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 08 July 2008 11:25:12 pm Can-Hua Chen wrote:
> > > > I just dist-upgrade (testing), and found that
> > > > "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" doesn't
> > > > prompt for driver, monitor configuration as
> > > > before, but only keyboard and mouse configure.
> > > >
> > > > Is it new policy of xserver-xorg package?
> > > > Or my system has problem after this dist-upgrade?
> > > >
> > > > Any hint is appreciated.
> > >
> > > http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12
> > > http://intellinuxgraphics.org/dualhead.html
> > >
> > > those options you asked about are not automaticaly detected, MOSTLY
> > > right. When it is wrong, you need the first link to fix it.
> > >
> > > HTH
> >
> > eh-hemmm! I meant "are now automaticaly detected" not "are not
> > automaticaly detected". Sorry if this caused confusion.
>
> Thanks.
> So you mean xserver package now is capable of detect the
> right my Intel driver so that a query about driver and monitor
> during dpkg-reconfigure is not needed any more?

Yes, most of the time, not all of the time. For when it does not, you need
that info I posted.
>
> > --
> > Damon L. Chesser
> > damon@damtek.com
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/dchesser



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Old 07-09-2008, 03:19 PM
"Damon L. Chesser"
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

On Wednesday 09 July 2008 09:39:27 am you wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Damon L. Chesser <damon@damtek.com> wrote:
> >> Thanks.
> >> So you mean xserver package now is capable of detect the
> >> right my Intel driver so that a query about driver and monitor
> >> during dpkg-reconfigure is not needed any more?
> >
> > Yes, most of the time, not all of the time. For when it does not, you
> > need that info I posted.
>
> Hmm -- that seems problematic. Driver misconfigurations have left my
> system in an unbootable state before; I'd hate to have to jump through
> hoops to downgrade to working drivers -- I'd think it should at least ask
> before auto-configuring everything.

I agree. I am also forwarding this to the list, for discussion.

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Old 07-09-2008, 04:05 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

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On 07/09/08 10:19, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
[snip]
>> Hmm -- that seems problematic. Driver misconfigurations have left my
>> system in an unbootable state before; I'd hate to have to jump through
>> hoops to downgrade to working drivers -- I'd think it should at least ask
>> before auto-configuring everything.

This is why I refuse to enable fb, DRI & [xgk]dm. The nvidia kernel
module isn't loaded until you run startx.

So, no matter how hosed X gets, the machine is functional and you
can log into the console, reading email with Mutt and surf the web
with links2.

This is why I am distressed about kernel modeline settings.

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Old 07-09-2008, 07:21 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 07/09/08 10:19, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
[snip]

Hmm -- that seems problematic. Driver misconfigurations have left my
system in an unbootable state before; I'd hate to have to jump through
hoops to downgrade to working drivers -- I'd think it should at least ask
before auto-configuring everything.


This is why I refuse to enable fb, DRI & [xgk]dm. The nvidia kernel
module isn't loaded until you run startx.

So, no matter how hosed X gets, the machine is functional and you
can log into the console, reading email with Mutt and surf the web
with links2.

This is why I am distressed about kernel modeline settings.



What?

Hugo


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Old 07-09-2008, 08:35 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

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On 07/09/08 14:21, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>
>> On 07/09/08 10:19, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>> [snip]
>>>> Hmm -- that seems problematic. Driver misconfigurations have left my
>>>> system in an unbootable state before; I'd hate to have to jump through
>>>> hoops to downgrade to working drivers -- I'd think it should at
>>>> least ask
>>>> before auto-configuring everything.
>>
>> This is why I refuse to enable fb, DRI & [xgk]dm. The nvidia kernel
>> module isn't loaded until you run startx.
>>
>> So, no matter how hosed X gets, the machine is functional and you
>> can log into the console, reading email with Mutt and surf the web
>> with links2.
>>
>> This is why I am distressed about kernel modeline settings.
>>
>
> What?

Be a bit more specific.

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Old 07-10-2008, 01:07 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 07/09/08 14:21, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 07/09/08 10:19, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
[snip]

Hmm -- that seems problematic. Driver misconfigurations have left my
system in an unbootable state before; I'd hate to have to jump through
hoops to downgrade to working drivers -- I'd think it should at
least ask
before auto-configuring everything.

This is why I refuse to enable fb, DRI & [xgk]dm. The nvidia kernel
module isn't loaded until you run startx.

So, no matter how hosed X gets, the machine is functional and you
can log into the console, reading email with Mutt and surf the web
with links2.

This is why I am distressed about kernel modeline settings.


What?


Be a bit more specific.



What do you mean by kernel modeline settings?

Hugo


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Old 07-10-2008, 01:31 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

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On 07/10/08 08:07, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
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>> On 07/09/08 14:21, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
>>> Ron Johnson wrote:
>>>> On 07/09/08 10:19, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
>>>> [snip]
>>>>>> Hmm -- that seems problematic. Driver misconfigurations have left my
>>>>>> system in an unbootable state before; I'd hate to have to jump
>>>>>> through
>>>>>> hoops to downgrade to working drivers -- I'd think it should at
>>>>>> least ask
>>>>>> before auto-configuring everything.
>>>> This is why I refuse to enable fb, DRI & [xgk]dm. The nvidia kernel
>>>> module isn't loaded until you run startx.
>>>>
>>>> So, no matter how hosed X gets, the machine is functional and you
>>>> can log into the console, reading email with Mutt and surf the web
>>>> with links2.
>>>>
>>>> This is why I am distressed about kernel modeline settings.
>>>>
>>> What?
>>
>> Be a bit more specific.
>>
>
> What do you mean by kernel modeline settings?

Sorry, it's mode setting, not modeline setting.

http://kerneltrap.org/node/8242
http://keithp.com/blogs/kernel-mode-drivers/


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Old 07-10-2008, 02:13 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 07/10/08 08:07, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 07/09/08 14:21, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

On 07/09/08 10:19, Damon L. Chesser wrote:
[snip]

Hmm -- that seems problematic. Driver misconfigurations have left my
system in an unbootable state before; I'd hate to have to jump
through
hoops to downgrade to working drivers -- I'd think it should at
least ask
before auto-configuring everything.

This is why I refuse to enable fb, DRI & [xgk]dm. The nvidia kernel
module isn't loaded until you run startx.

So, no matter how hosed X gets, the machine is functional and you
can log into the console, reading email with Mutt and surf the web
with links2.

This is why I am distressed about kernel modeline settings.


What?

Be a bit more specific.


What do you mean by kernel modeline settings?


Sorry, it's mode setting, not modeline setting.

http://kerneltrap.org/node/8242
http://keithp.com/blogs/kernel-mode-drivers/



They have to do something, VT management is a mess.
To wit my problems with vga= in Debian's 2.6.25 kernel (*not* with
kernel.org's 2.6.25.9!)

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481063

Hugo


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Old 07-10-2008, 02:39 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

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On 07/10/08 09:13, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> Sorry, it's mode setting, not modeline setting.
>>
>> http://kerneltrap.org/node/8242
>> http://keithp.com/blogs/kernel-mode-drivers/
>>
>
> They have to do something, VT management is a mess.
> To wit my problems with vga= in Debian's 2.6.25 kernel (*not* with
> kernel.org's 2.6.25.9!)
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481063

Hmmm. I'd never be affected by that, since I stick with a pure text
24x80 console, and use startx to load the nvidia binary driver.

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Old 07-11-2008, 12:01 PM
Hugo Vanwoerkom
 
Default xorg reconfigure problem after upgrade

Ron Johnson wrote:

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On 07/10/08 09:13, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Ron Johnson wrote:

[snip]

Sorry, it's mode setting, not modeline setting.

http://kerneltrap.org/node/8242
http://keithp.com/blogs/kernel-mode-drivers/


They have to do something, VT management is a mess.
To wit my problems with vga= in Debian's 2.6.25 kernel (*not* with
kernel.org's 2.6.25.9!)
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481063


Hmmm. I'd never be affected by that, since I stick with a pure text
24x80 console, and use startx to load the nvidia binary driver.



You'd never notice it. Linux has a "glaring"(?) fault that you can have
any number of devices anywhere but only 1 keyboard with a VT.


In the best of worlds, the kernel ought to figure out the
keyboard/console connections and give each a vt.


But we'll see that long after I am gone, if ever.

Hugo


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