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Old 07-06-2008, 09:19 PM
"s. keeling"
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
> On 07/06/08 02:49, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> >
> > 4. because, in the light of the above, using it will involve me in a
> > fair amount of work for no clear benefit and possibly a worse output.
>
> Huh???????? *Using* CUPS is as difficult as rolling off a log.

BS! CUPS is one of the most unpredictable and fragile systems I've
seen. Why bother when five lines of printcap can replace it, and
imagemagick (for one) does that for you?!?


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Old 07-06-2008, 11:18 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

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On 07/06/08 16:19, s. keeling wrote:
> Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net>:
>> On 07/06/08 02:49, Anthony Campbell wrote:
>>> 4. because, in the light of the above, using it will involve me in a
>>> fair amount of work for no clear benefit and possibly a worse output.
>> Huh???????? *Using* CUPS is as difficult as rolling off a log.
>
> BS! CUPS is one of the most unpredictable and fragile systems I've
> seen. Why bother when five lines of printcap can replace it, and
> imagemagick (for one) does that for you?!?

I can not speak to how complicated (or not) that it is to develop
CUPS, or for the Debian CUPS Maintainers to package and maintain it.

Setting up print queues can be a bit of a hassle if (like me) you
don't do it often, but once you get it created, it's done. It took
me an evening, 2 years ago, and haven't touched it since then.

So, I *can* and *do* unequivocally affirm that *using* CUPS is an
simple as rolling off a log.

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Old 07-07-2008, 02:19 AM
Nate Bargmann
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

* Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> [2008 Jul 06 18:19 -0500]:

> So, I *can* and *do* unequivocally affirm that *using* CUPS is an
> simple as rolling off a log.

I concur. So long as a PPD file is available for a given printer, CUPS
has worked like a hose for me.

I fought printcaps and filters for years with an old IBM 4039-10R laser
that didn't have enough memory for handling PS natively. Installing
CUPS and setting it up through its web page interface along with the
Gimpprint drivers gave me a print quality I douldn't get before. I'm
running Sid and update frequently and so far CUPS has not been fragile
through all of those updates.

- Nate >>

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Old 07-07-2008, 02:41 AM
Nate Bargmann
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

* Ron Johnson <ron.l.johnson@cox.net> [2008 Jul 06 11:10 -0500]:

> Where did you read this? I resize pictures, and they don't turn
> into black rectangles. Unless what I'm thinking of isn't what
> "they" are talking about...

I wonder if it's the effect I noticed during the first day or so of
running IW 3.0 where if the Ctl-+ keystroke was used to zoom text, the
entire page was zoomed? I found the solution to be checking
View|Zoom|Zoom Text Only and restarting IW so the setting was saved.
When images were "zoomed" they would move to the lower right of the box
they were supposed to occupy and the remaining space was black. Enough
"zooms" and the box would be black.

- Nate >>

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Old 07-07-2008, 07:33 AM
Jan Willem Stumpel
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

Ron Johnson wrote:
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> On 07/06/08 15:06, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
>> I'll just mention the follow-up. I just tried installing gtk+-2.10
>> (compiling source from http://www.gtk.org/) and indeed, "print to
>> lpr" now appears in the print dialog. Without cups or xprint. Just
>> lprng. So as soon as gtk+-2.10 appears in Sid, this problem will
>> be over.
>
> You're a bit behind the times, Jan!
>
> $ apt-cache policy libgtk2.0-0
> libgtk2.0-0:
> Installed: 2.12.10-2
> Candidate: 2.12.10-2
> Version table:
> *** 2.12.10-2 0
> 500 ftp://mirrors.kernel.org unstable/main Packages
> 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status

Indeed. Very strange. And I even have it installed. But ff3 can
print to lpr only when I install the compiled-from-source version
of 2.10 (in /usr/local). As soon as I uninstall it, lpr printing
on ff3 becomes unavailable.

/usr/lib/gtk-2.0 (the Debian version) contains subdirectories:
2.10.0 2.2.0 2.4.0 include modules

No 2.12.0! I don't understand this numbering system.

/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0 contains: 2.10.0 2.2.0 2.4.0 include
(no "modules", but the same version numbers).

The real difference is probably to be found here: the Sid version has:

jws@vega:~$ ls -alG /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/
total 104
drwxr-xr-x 2 root 4096 2008-06-09 17:32 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 root 4096 2007-04-15 14:58 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root 52980 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-cups.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root 13044 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-file.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root 10084 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-lpr.so
-rw-r--r-- 1 root 11140 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-test.so

While the compiled-from-source version (from gtk.org) has:

jws@vega:~$ ls -alG /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/
total 92
drwxr-sr-x 2 root 4096 2008-07-06 21:26 .
drwxr-sr-x 6 root 4096 2008-07-06 21:26 ..
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 1315 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-file.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 37984 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-file.so
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 1309 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-lpr.la
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 34034 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-lpr.so

I compiled by just "./configure", "make", without setting any
options. So by default gtk does not have a cups print backend,
only "lpr" and "file" (when compiled on a cups-less system, I
presume). The Debian version has "lpr" and "file", as well as
"cups" and something called "test".

Maybe you can explain these findings. Anyway it seems that the bug
is not in ff3 but in libgtk2.0-0.

Regards, Jan


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Old 07-07-2008, 08:34 AM
Anthony Campbell
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

On 06 Jul 2008, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Huh???????? *Using* CUPS is as difficult as rolling off a log.
>
> - --

It's some time since I used CUPS so perhaps it's easier to set up now
than it was then. But lpr + magicfilter doesn't need you to climb on the
log at all. I just run "magicfilterconfig", answer three questions, and
there you are!

Anthony

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Old 07-07-2008, 09:12 AM
Anthony Campbell
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

On 07 Jul 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Indeed. Very strange. And I even have it installed. But ff3 can
> print to lpr only when I install the compiled-from-source version
> of 2.10 (in /usr/local). As soon as I uninstall it, lpr printing
> on ff3 becomes unavailable.
>
> /usr/lib/gtk-2.0 (the Debian version) contains subdirectories:
> 2.10.0 2.2.0 2.4.0 include modules
>
> No 2.12.0! I don't understand this numbering system.
>
> /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0 contains: 2.10.0 2.2.0 2.4.0 include
> (no "modules", but the same version numbers).
>
> The real difference is probably to be found here: the Sid version has:
>
> jws@vega:~$ ls -alG /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/
> total 104
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root 4096 2008-06-09 17:32 .
> drwxr-xr-x 9 root 4096 2007-04-15 14:58 ..
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root 52980 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-cups.so
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root 13044 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-file.so
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root 10084 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-lpr.so
> -rw-r--r-- 1 root 11140 2008-06-07 11:16 libprintbackend-test.so
>
> While the compiled-from-source version (from gtk.org) has:
>
> jws@vega:~$ ls -alG /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends/
> total 92
> drwxr-sr-x 2 root 4096 2008-07-06 21:26 .
> drwxr-sr-x 6 root 4096 2008-07-06 21:26 ..
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 1315 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-file.la
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 37984 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-file.so
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 1309 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-lpr.la
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 34034 2008-07-06 21:26 libprintbackend-lpr.so
>
> I compiled by just "./configure", "make", without setting any
> options. So by default gtk does not have a cups print backend,
> only "lpr" and "file" (when compiled on a cups-less system, I
> presume). The Debian version has "lpr" and "file", as well as
> "cups" and something called "test".
>
> Maybe you can explain these findings. Anyway it seems that the bug
> is not in ff3 but in libgtk2.0-0.
>


It didn't work here. I did the same thing and the appropriate stuff in
/usr/local but I still can't print. Did you do something to make FF see
the gtk-2.10 stuff?

Anthony

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Old 07-07-2008, 09:52 AM
Jan Willem Stumpel
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

Anthony Campbell wrote:
> On 07 Jul 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

>> I compiled by just "./configure", "make", without setting any
>> options. So by default gtk does not have a cups print
>> backend, only "lpr" and "file" (when compiled on a cups-less
>> system, I presume). The Debian version has "lpr" and "file",
>> as well as "cups" and something called "test". [..]

> It didn't work here. I did the same thing and the appropriate
> stuff in /usr/local but I still can't print. Did you do
> something to make FF see the gtk-2.10 stuff?

Probably. I messed around a bit with the settings in about:config.
Some settings I have now:

print.postscript.cups.enabled false [AFAIK not a default
setting; you have to create it]
print.print_paper_size 1
print.printer_list lp
print.save_print_settings true
print.show_print_progress true

Most of these about:config settings related to printing do not
seem to do anything, though. What do you mean by "the appropriate
stuff in /usr/local"? "make install" as root takes care of that.
"make uninstall" undoes the changes, useful for testing.

Regards, Jan


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Old 07-07-2008, 10:33 AM
"Mumia W.."
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

On 07/07/2008 04:12 AM, Anthony Campbell wrote:

On 07 Jul 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:

[ good advice snipped ]


It didn't work here. I did the same thing and the appropriate stuff in
/usr/local but I still can't print. Did you do something to make FF see
the gtk-2.10 stuff?

Anthony




I did. I installed gtk+2.10 to a non-standard location to prevent it
from conflicting with gtk+2.8. I suggest you place something like
gtk+2.10 in a new directory, e.g. /usr/local/exotic; when you install,
you'll get a /usr/local/exotic/lib directory containing the library
binaries.


I also created a startup script for firefox that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH to
the 'lib' directory where gtk+2.10's binaries are installed, e.g.:


#!/bin/sh
#---------firefox-3.0.sh-------------
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/local/exotic/lib
exec /usr/local/firefox-3.0/firefox




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Old 07-07-2008, 11:17 AM
Anthony Campbell
 
Default CUPS vs lpd (was Giving up on Iceweasel 3.0)

On 07 Jul 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
> Anthony Campbell wrote:
> > On 07 Jul 2008, Jan Willem Stumpel wrote:
>
> >> I compiled by just "./configure", "make", without setting any
> >> options. So by default gtk does not have a cups print
> >> backend, only "lpr" and "file" (when compiled on a cups-less
> >> system, I presume). The Debian version has "lpr" and "file",
> >> as well as "cups" and something called "test". [..]
>
> > It didn't work here. I did the same thing and the appropriate
> > stuff in /usr/local but I still can't print. Did you do
> > something to make FF see the gtk-2.10 stuff?
>
> Probably. I messed around a bit with the settings in about:config.
> Some settings I have now:
>
> print.postscript.cups.enabled false [AFAIK not a default
> setting; you have to create it]
> print.print_paper_size 1
> print.printer_list lp
> print.save_print_settings true
> print.show_print_progress true
>
> Most of these about:config settings related to printing do not
> seem to do anything, though. What do you mean by "the appropriate
> stuff in /usr/local"? "make install" as root takes care of that.
> "make uninstall" undoes the changes, useful for testing.
>
> Regards, Jan
>
>

I installed the gtk stuff in that way and I do have the entries you
listed. But I don't seem to have the same printer entries in
about:config.

I have put

print.print_printer user_set string lpr

which doesn't seem to work. I can't see options for your other entries.
How did you create an entry for print.postscript.cups.enabled?


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