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Old 06-12-2008, 02:31 AM
Dietrich Bollmann
 
Default debian sid & gnome

Hi,

Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
gnome:

apt-get dist-upgrade
[...]
The following packages will be REMOVED:
epiphany-extensions fast-user-switch-applet gnome
gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools k3b libavcodeccvs51
libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libavutilcvs49 liboobs-1-3
libpostproccvs51 libswscalecvs0 libuim5 scim-uim
[...]

As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I
finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system.

Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be
updated again or is there some better way to proceed?

Thanks, Dietrich



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Old 06-12-2008, 03:16 AM
Ron Johnson
 
Default debian sid & gnome

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On 06/11/08 21:31, Dietrich Bollmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
> gnome:

I have to ask: do you "apt-get update"?

> apt-get dist-upgrade
> [...]
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> epiphany-extensions fast-user-switch-applet gnome
> gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools k3b libavcodeccvs51
> libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libavutilcvs49 liboobs-1-3
> libpostproccvs51 libswscalecvs0 libuim5 scim-uim
> [...]
>
> As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I
> finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system.
>
> Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be
> updated again or is there some better way to proceed?

Try upgrading a handful of packages at a time. That will show you
where the problem is. "apt-show-packages -u | sort" is handy.

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Old 06-12-2008, 03:47 AM
Dietrich Bollmann
 
Default debian sid & gnome

Hi Ron.

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 22:16 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
> > gnome:
>
> I have to ask: do you "apt-get update"?

Of course I did

> Try upgrading a handful of packages at a time. That will show you
> where the problem is. "apt-show-packages -u | sort" is handy.

I couldn't find 'apt-show-packages' - even google only lists six pages
when searching for 'apt-show-packages':
http://www.google.com/search?q=apt-show-packages

Where can I find it?

Is there some way to list the package dependencies used when trying to
upgrade debian? Having a dependency tree it should be easy to
understand why apt-get always wants to uninstall gnome.

Thanks for your answer, Dietrich

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Old 06-12-2008, 04:21 AM
Daniel Burrows
 
Default debian sid & gnome

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:31:16AM +0900, Dietrich Bollmann <diresu@web.de> was heard to say:
> Hi,
>
> Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
> gnome:
>
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> [...]
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> epiphany-extensions fast-user-switch-applet gnome
> gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools k3b libavcodeccvs51
> libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libavutilcvs49 liboobs-1-3
> libpostproccvs51 libswscalecvs0 libuim5 scim-uim
> [...]
>
> As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I
> finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system.
>
> Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be
> updated again or is there some better way to proceed?

What do you get if you run "aptitude -s full-upgrade"? (this won't
modify your system at all) If it suggests removing packages to solve
dependencies, enter "o" at the prompt to find out why.

Daniel


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Old 06-12-2008, 04:58 AM
Ron Johnson
 
Default debian sid & gnome

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On 06/11/08 22:47, Dietrich Bollmann wrote:
> Hi Ron.
>
> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 22:16 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>>> Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
>>> gnome:
>> I have to ask: do you "apt-get update"?
>
> Of course I did

I figured you did...

>> Try upgrading a handful of packages at a time. That will show you
>> where the problem is. "apt-show-packages -u | sort" is handy.
>
> I couldn't find 'apt-show-packages' - even google only lists six pages
> when searching for 'apt-show-packages':
> http://www.google.com/search?q=apt-show-packages
>
> Where can I find it?

Oops. It's apt-show-versions.

> Is there some way to list the package dependencies used when trying to
> upgrade debian? Having a dependency tree it should be easy to
> understand why apt-get always wants to uninstall gnome.

Upgrading a few GNOME packages should lead you to the culprit.

> Thanks for your answer, Dietrich

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Old 06-12-2008, 04:59 AM
Dietrich Bollmann
 
Default debian sid & gnome

Hi Daniel,

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 21:21 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:31:16AM +0900, Dietrich Bollmann <diresu@web.de> was heard to say:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
> > gnome:
> >
> > apt-get dist-upgrade
> > [...]
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> > epiphany-extensions fast-user-switch-applet gnome
> > gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools k3b libavcodeccvs51
> > libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libavutilcvs49 liboobs-1-3
> > libpostproccvs51 libswscalecvs0 libuim5 scim-uim
> > [...]
> >
> > As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I
> > finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system.
> >
> > Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be
> > updated again or is there some better way to proceed?
>
> What do you get if you run "aptitude -s full-upgrade"? (this won't
> modify your system at all) If it suggests removing packages to solve
> dependencies, enter "o" at the prompt to find out why.

A strangely different result:

- it complains about gnome being broken
- it doesn't want to remove gnome this time - but kde.
(... apt-get didn't complain about kde at all...)

How can it be possible that two tools trying to do the same thing
propose so much differing solutions?

I am not using kde for the moment - and wouldn't mind to deinstall it
if only I could be sure that the system still continues to work after
the update...

What do you think should I do?

Thanks, Dietrich

PS: I appended the output of 'aptitude -s full-upgrade' :

>
> Daniel

Here the output of: aptitude -s full-upgrade


Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
Reading extended state information
Initializing package states... Done
Reading task descriptions... Done
The following packages are BROKEN:
gnome k3b kdenetwork scim-uim system-tools-backends
The following NEW packages will be installed:
acroread-dictionary-en{a} acroread-l10n-en{a} cpp-4.3{a} cups{a}
cups-client{a} cups-common{a} cups-dbg{a} g++-4.3{a} gcc-4.3{a}
grhino{a} libavahi-ui0{a} libavcodec51{a} libavdevice52{a}
libavformat52{a} libavutil49{a} libbind9-40{a} libcap2{a} libcups2{a}
libcups2-dev{a} libdc1394-22{a} libdns42{a} libepc-1.0-1{a}
libepc-ui-1.0-1{a} libgtk-vnc-1.0-0{a} libgtk2-imageview-perl{a}
libgtkimageview0{a} libgweather-common{a} libgweather1{a} libisc41{a}
libisccc40{a} libisccfg40{a} liblwres40{a} libmozjs1d{a}
libmpfr1ldbl{a} libpoppler-glib3{a} libpoppler3{a} libpostproc51{a}
libpthread-stubs0{a} libpthread-stubs0-dev{a} libqt4-assistant{a}
libqt4-opengl{a} libqtgui4{a} libsoundtouch1c2{a} libspectre1{a}
libstdc++6-4.3-dev{a} libswscale0{a} libuim6{a} libxcb-xlib0{a}
libxcb-xlib0-dev{a} libxcb1-dev{a} libxerces-c28{a}
linux-image-2.6.25-2-686{a} openssh-blacklist{a}
openssh-blacklist-extra{a}
openssl-blacklist{a} python-cups{a} python-eggtrayicon{a}
python-gtkhtml2{a} python-gtkmozembed{a} python-qt4{a}
python-qt4-common{a}
system-config-printer{a} uim-qt3{a} vflib3{a} vinagre{a}
xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd{a} xulrunner-1.9{a}
xulrunner-1.9-gnome-support{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
cupsys-common{u} epiphany-extensions{a} gnome-cups-manager{a}
gnome-keyring-manager{u} kdenetwork-filesharing{u} ktalkd{u}
libavcodeccvs51{a} libavdevicecvs52{a} libavformatcvs52{a}
libavutilcvs49{a} libc-ares1{u} libgnomecupsui1.0-1c2a{u}
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perl-suid{u} talk{u} xdelta{u} xulrunner-gnome-support{u}
xutils-dev{u} ytalk{u}
The following packages will be upgraded:
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acpi-support-base acpid acroread acroread-data acroread-debian-files
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xserver-xorg-input-wacom xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-apm
xserver-xorg-video-ark xserver-xorg-video-chips
xserver-xorg-video-cirrus xserver-xorg-video-dummy
xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
xserver-xorg-video-glint xserver-xorg-video-i128
xserver-xorg-video-i740 xserver-xorg-video-i810
xserver-xorg-video-intel
xserver-xorg-video-intel-dbg xserver-xorg-video-neomagic
xserver-xorg-video-nv xserver-xorg-video-rendition
xserver-xorg-video-s3
xserver-xorg-video-s3virge xserver-xorg-video-savage
xserver-xorg-video-siliconmotion xserver-xorg-video-sis
xserver-xorg-video-sisusb
xserver-xorg-video-tdfx xserver-xorg-video-trident
xserver-xorg-video-tseng xserver-xorg-video-v4l
xserver-xorg-video-voodoo xsltproc
xtightvncviewer xtrans-dev xutils xvidcap yelp
The following packages are RECOMMENDED but will NOT be installed:
gnome-pilot-conduits libsmbios-bin ntfsprogs
openoffice.org-style-crystal psfontmgr python-beagle python-soappy xnest
xserver-xephyr
878 packages upgraded, 68 newly installed, 23 to remove and 0 not
upgraded.
Need to get 775MB/1248MB of archives. After unpacking 218MB will be
used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
system-tools-backends: Conflicts: liboobs-1-3 but 2.20.0-1 is
installed.
k3b: Depends: k3b-data (= 1.0.4-8) but 1.0.5-1 is to be installed.
kdenetwork: Depends: dcoprss (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is
installed.
Depends: kdenetwork-kfile-plugins (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but
4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: kdict (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: kdnssd (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: kget (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: knewsticker (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is
installed.
Depends: kopete (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: kpf (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: kppp (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: krdc (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: krfb (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: ksirc (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
Depends: kwifimanager (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is
installed.
Depends: librss1 (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is
installed.
scim-uim: Depends: libuim5 but it is not installable
gnome: Depends: epiphany-extensions but it is not installable
Resolving dependencies...
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:

Remove the following packages:
kde
kdenetwork
scim-uim

Keep the following packages at their current version:
epiphany-extensions [2.22.1-2 (unstable, now)]
epiphany-gecko [2.22.1.1-1 (now)]
k3b-data [1.0.4-8 (now)]
system-tools-backends [2.4.2-1 (now)]

Upgrade the following packages:
xulrunner-gnome-support [1.8.1.14-2 (now) -> 1.8.1.14-3.1 (unstable)]

Score is 489

Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] o
epiphany-gecko recommends epiphany-extensions
-> Installing epiphany-extensions 2.22.1-2 (unstable, now)

epiphany-gecko conflicts with epiphany-extensions (< 2.22.1-3)
-> Installing epiphany-gecko 2.22.1.1-1 (now)

k3b depends upon k3b-data (= 1.0.4-8)
-> Installing k3b-data 1.0.4-8 (now)

kdenetwork depends upon dcoprss (>= 4:3.5.9-2)
-> Removing kdenetwork

kde depends upon kdenetwork (>= 4:3.5.5)
-> Removing kde

scim-uim depends upon libuim5
-> Removing scim-uim

system-tools-backends conflicts with liboobs-1-3
-> Installing system-tools-backends 2.4.2-1 (now)

epiphany-gecko depends upon xulrunner-gnome-support
-> Installing xulrunner-gnome-support 1.8.1.14-3.1 (unstable)


Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?]



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Old 06-12-2008, 06:50 AM
Magnus Therning
 
Default debian sid & gnome

Dietrich Bollmann wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
> gnome:
>
> apt-get dist-upgrade
> [...]
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> epiphany-extensions fast-user-switch-applet gnome
> gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools k3b libavcodeccvs51
> libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libavutilcvs49 liboobs-1-3
> libpostproccvs51 libswscalecvs0 libuim5 scim-uim
> [...]
>
> As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I
> finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system.
>
> Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be
> updated again or is there some better way to proceed?
>
> Thanks, Dietrich

I usually solve this sort of problem using aptitude, checking the
dependencies of the packages suggested for removal has always revealed
the culprit. Of course YMMV.

/M

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Old 06-12-2008, 11:06 AM
"thveillon.debian"
 
Default debian sid & gnome

Dietrich Bollmann a crit :

Hi Daniel,

On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 21:21 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:31:16AM +0900, Dietrich Bollmann <diresu@web.de> was heard to say:

Hi,

Since weeks I can't update debian sid as apt-get always wants to remove
gnome:

apt-get dist-upgrade
[...]
The following packages will be REMOVED:
epiphany-extensions fast-user-switch-applet gnome
gnome-desktop-environment gnome-system-tools k3b libavcodeccvs51
libavdevicecvs52 libavformatcvs52 libavutilcvs49 liboobs-1-3
libpostproccvs51 libswscalecvs0 libuim5 scim-uim
[...]

As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I
finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system.

Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be
updated again or is there some better way to proceed?

What do you get if you run "aptitude -s full-upgrade"? (this won't
modify your system at all) If it suggests removing packages to solve
dependencies, enter "o" at the prompt to find out why.


A strangely different result:

- it complains about gnome being broken
- it doesn't want to remove gnome this time - but kde.
(... apt-get didn't complain about kde at all...)

How can it be possible that two tools trying to do the same thing
propose so much differing solutions?


I am not using kde for the moment - and wouldn't mind to deinstall it
if only I could be sure that the system still continues to work after
the update...

What do you think should I do?

Thanks, Dietrich

PS: I appended the output of 'aptitude -s full-upgrade' :



Daniel


Here the output of: aptitude -s full-upgrade


[snip]


Remove the following packages:
kde
kdenetwork
scim-uim


[snip]

kde depends upon kdenetwork (>= 4:3.5.5)
-> Removing kde



I believe "kde" is a meta package (as is "gnome") dragging all the usual
kde stuff on your system , removing it shouldn't hurt too much as it
won't remove anything except the meta package itself..
For the other two I don't know but I would try removing it manually and
then re-installing it cleanly after the upgrade.


Tom


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Old 06-12-2008, 01:27 PM
Daniel Burrows
 
Default debian sid & gnome

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 01:59:08PM +0900, Dietrich Bollmann <diresu@web.de> was heard to say:
> On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 21:21 -0700, Daniel Burrows wrote:
> > What do you get if you run "aptitude -s full-upgrade"? (this won't
> > modify your system at all) If it suggests removing packages to solve
> > dependencies, enter "o" at the prompt to find out why.
>
> A strangely different result:
>
> - it complains about gnome being broken
> - it doesn't want to remove gnome this time - but kde.
> (... apt-get didn't complain about kde at all...)
>
> How can it be possible that two tools trying to do the same thing
> propose so much differing solutions?

The algorithms used to solve dependencies are different, so sometimes
they'll produce different results. aptitude has more facilities for
showing why it's doing what it's doing, which is why I suggested it.

> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> system-tools-backends: Conflicts: liboobs-1-3 but 2.20.0-1 is
> installed.
> k3b: Depends: k3b-data (= 1.0.4-8) but 1.0.5-1 is to be installed.
> kdenetwork: Depends: dcoprss (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is
> installed.
> Depends: kdenetwork-kfile-plugins (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but
> 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: kdict (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: kdnssd (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: kget (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: knewsticker (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is
> installed.
> Depends: kopete (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: kpf (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: kppp (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: krdc (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: krfb (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: ksirc (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: kwifimanager (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.
> Depends: librss1 (>= 4:3.5.9-2) but 4:3.5.9-1 is installed.

So, these are the dependencies it's trying to resolve. The big
problems for you are probably the broken gnome-system-tools (which is
required by gnome-desktop-environment) and the broken kdenetwork (which
is part of kde). In the case of kdenetwork, you can't upgrade it until
kde is rebuilt for your architecture -- according to
packages.debian.org, packages like dcoprss are only at 4:3.5.9-2 on
amd64, hppa, and ia64 so far.

gnome is broken because gnome-desktop-environment depends on
gnome-system-tools, which depends on both system-tools-backends and
liboobs-1-3; however, the new version of system-tools-backends conflicts
with liboobs-1-3. So the version of gnome in sid just can't be
installed at all, ever.

In other words, neither of these packages can be upgraded right now.

If you run "aptitude safe-upgrade" does it upgrade a reasonable amount
of stuff?

Daniel


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Old 06-12-2008, 05:05 PM
"H.S."
 
Default debian sid & gnome

Dietrich Bollmann wrote:

As I couldn't find any mails from other users about this problem, I
finally wonder if there is something wrong with my system.

Should I continue to wait for some more weeks until finally gnome can be
updated again or is there some better way to proceed?



This might have been suggested before. Try:
$> aptitude update
$> aptitude safe-upgrade

and if that goes okay, try
$> aptitude full-upgrade

Aptitude usually tells you what is broken and what is the suggested
resolution. If you do not accept the suggestion, it gives you another
different one and so on until you accept one or just quit the upgrade.


(I use aptitude the same way I used to use apt-get.)

->HS



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