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Chris Evans 01-27-2013 11:46 AM

Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
 
I hope this is the right list for what will probably be a series of questions.

I've used Debian for many years on desktop boxes for light www/Email server use on a simple home ADSL line and more recently on a hosted machine. I've also used it on that and laptops for statistical analyses in the R system. In the last two years I've tried, largely successfully, to make Debian my main laptop system. All that means I'm fairly savvy about Debian, OSS and IT generally though IT is not my main skill nor job.

I've now bought a Toshiba Satellite L750-170 laptop to replace the ageing Dell Lattitude E6500 on which I'd had no real problems with Debian (not quite true: never got the microphone working properly but otherwise it was fine: made great use of the graphics and suspended and restored fine.

I've now installed Squeeze on the Toshiba and can't get hiher resolution that 1024*768 and when I shut the lid the machine appears to suspend (I think) but when I re-open it looks from the indicator lights as if it is resuming but the screen stays blacked out and nothing I do gets me back in. I've done a bit of web searching to try to find information about these issues but can't find anything. Easy suspending and using more of the screen/graphics than 1024*768 are both really important to me so I think I have three questions:

1) General one: What is the approved way to sort out what hardware is in a machine and get that information onto the Debian HCL and to work out what works on it and what doesn't?

2) Specific 1: does anyone have any advice about how to get better graphics resolution?

3) Specific 2: what should I do to debug the blacked out resume? I wonder if it is a graphics driver issue so may be linked to #2 or even go away if I could get better fit between Squeeze and the graphics hardware perhaps.

TIA,

Chris



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Bob Proulx 01-28-2013 06:28 AM

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Chris Evans wrote:
> I hope this is the right list for what will probably be a series of questions.

It is. And although I may not be able to help I will start off by
asking some clarifying questions.

> I've now installed Squeeze on the Toshiba and can't get hiher
> resolution that 1024*768
> ...
> 2) Specific 1: does anyone have any advice about how to get better
> graphics resolution?

What graphics hardware are in your machine?

$ lspci | grep VGA

What driver is X currently using? This can be found by inspecing the
Xorg log file.

$ less /var/log/Xorg.0.log

I am guessing that your system has fallen back to using the generic
vesa driver.

Depending upon your hardware installing firmware-linux-nonfree will
provide binary blobs that may improve the functioning of your system.

# apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree

Sorry but I don't have any help for the suspend problems. Does
hibernate to disk work better than suspend to ram?

Bob

Chris Evans 01-28-2013 07:51 AM

Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
 
Many thanks. Quick answers below. Will be away from the machine after this 'til Thursday so welcome any and all thoughtful answers between now and then!

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Proulx" <bob@proulx.com>
> To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2013 7:28:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
>
> Chris Evans wrote:
> > I hope this is the right list for what will probably be a series of
> > questions.
>
> It is. And although I may not be able to help I will start off by
> asking some clarifying questions.
>
> > I've now installed Squeeze on the Toshiba and can't get hiher
> > resolution that 1024*768
> > ...
> > 2) Specific 1: does anyone have any advice about how to get better
> > graphics resolution?
>
> What graphics hardware are in your machine?
>
> $ lspci | grep VGA

00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Sandy Bridge Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 09)

> What driver is X currently using? This can be found by inspecing the
> Xorg log file.
>
> $ less /var/log/Xorg.0.log

Found these lines (separately)

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/vesa_drv.so
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fbdev_drv.so

then this:

(II) Module fbdev: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.7.6.901, module version = 0.4.2
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0
(II) intel: Driver for Intel Integrated Graphics Chipsets: i810,
i810-dc100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 854, 852GM/855GM, 865G, 915G,
E7221 (i915), 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 945GME, Pineview GM, Pineview G,
965G, G35, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 965GME/GLE, G33, Q35, Q33, GM45,
4 Series, G45/G43, Q45/Q43, G41, B43, B43, Clarkdale, Arrandale,
Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge, Sandybridge,
Sandybridge, Sandybridge

Then this:

(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so
(II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
compiled for 1.7.7, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 6.0
(II) VESA(0): initializing int10
(II) VESA(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) VESA(0): VESA BIOS detected
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Version 3.0
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE Total Mem: 32704 kB
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(R)Sandybridge Mobile Graphics Chipset Accelerated VGA BIOS
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Software Rev: 1.0
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Vendor: Intel Corporation
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(R)Sandybridge Mobile Graphics Controller
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE OEM Product Rev: Hardware Version 0.0
(II) VESA(0): Creating default Display subsection in Screen section
"Default Screen Section" for depth/fbbpp 24/32
(==) VESA(0): Depth 24, (--) framebuffer bpp 32
(==) VESA(0): RGB weight 888
(==) VESA(0): Default visual is TrueColor

Then this

(II) LoadModule: "ddc"
(II) Module "ddc" already built-in
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC supported
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC Level 2
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC transfer in appr. 1 sec.
(II) VESA(0): VESA VBE DDC read successfully
(II) VESA(0): Manufacturer: LGD Model: 2dc Serial#: 0
(II) VESA(0): Year: 2010 Week: 0
(II) VESA(0): EDID Version: 1.3
(II) VESA(0): Digital Display Input
(II) VESA(0): Max Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 34 vert.: 19
(II) VESA(0): Gamma: 2.20
(II) VESA(0): No DPMS capabilities specified
(II) VESA(0): Supported color encodings: RGB 4:4:4 YCrCb 4:4:4
(II) VESA(0): First detailed timing is preferred mode
(II) VESA(0): redX: 0.623 redY: 0.369 greenX: 0.346 greenY: 0.610
(II) VESA(0): blueX: 0.148 blueY: 0.098 whiteX: 0.313 whiteY: 0.329
(II) VESA(0): Manufacturer's mask: 0
(II) VESA(0): Supported detailed timing:
(II) VESA(0): clock: 70.0 MHz Image Size: 344 x 194 mm
(II) VESA(0): h_active: 1366 h_sync: 1402 h_sync_end 1450 h_blank_end 1492 h_border: 0
(II) VESA(0): v_active: 768 v_sync: 771 v_sync_end 776 v_blanking: 782 v_border: 0
(II) VESA(0): LG Display
(II) VESA(0): LP156WH4-TLA1

There's a huge amount more after that but I think that's the crunch stuff isn't it?

> I am guessing that your system has fallen back to using the generic
> vesa driver.
>
> Depending upon your hardware installing firmware-linux-nonfree will
> provide binary blobs that may improve the functioning of your system.
>
> # apt-get install firmware-linux-nonfree

OK. See that and firmware-linux and firmware-linux-free neither of which are installed.

Will come back to that on Friday but if anyone else or yourself again have suggestions, I'll be very grateful.

>
> Sorry but I don't have any help for the suspend problems. Does
> hibernate to disk work better than suspend to ram?

I'll get onto checking that from Friday.


> Bob


Many thanks Bob: lovely to feel I'm on the case with some allies!

Very best all,

Chris





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Marek Straka 01-28-2013 11:13 AM

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Install debian - wheezy. It is nearly stable. You have quite new hardware in your notebook.

Chris Evans 01-28-2013 11:42 AM

Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
 
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marek Straka" <marek.straka@gmail.com>
> To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2013 12:13:34 PM
> Subject: Re: Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
>
> Install debian - wheezy. It is nearly stable. You have quite new
> hardware in your notebook.

Yes, I wondered if that was the way to go. Am I right in thinking that there's a wheezy live install option? I'm sure that if there is, that should be a good next step.

Many thanks,

Chris


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Marek Straka 01-28-2013 12:22 PM

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http://live.debian.net/cdimage/release/next+nonfree/

and I agree you need urgently install manually package "firmware-linux-nonfree". But it should be in the sources I have* written above.


Most convenient way is to copy ISO of CD on USB stick and boot from USB. There are some easy tools to do that like this:
https://fedorahosted.org/liveusb-creator/



> Install debian - wheezy. It is nearly stable. You have quite new


> hardware in your notebook.



Yes, I wondered if that was the way to go. *Am I right in thinking that there's a wheezy live install option? *I'm sure that if there is, that should be a good next step.

Bob Proulx 01-28-2013 10:27 PM

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Chris Evans wrote:
> > Marek Straka wrote:
> > Install debian - wheezy. It is nearly stable. You have quite new
> > hardware in your notebook.
>
> Yes, I wondered if that was the way to go. Am I right in thinking
> that there's a wheezy live install option? I'm sure that if there
> is, that should be a good next step.

Since you already have Squeeze 6 installed I wouldn't be completely
hasty about re-installing. Because the Wheezy installation process is
still not ready for prime time. Instead I would add backports to the
sources.list file and install the backported kernel as a first step.
Because you undoubtedly need a newer kernel to match your newer
hardware. Because your graphics problems are that it doesn't know
about your newer hardware and so has fallen back to the vesa driver.

deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports contrib non-free

Then:

# apt-get update
# apt-get install -t squeeze-backports install firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae

Replace "686-pae" with the appropriate kernel matching what you have
already installed on your machine. Likely candidates are "686-pae"
and "amd64".

Then reboot and see if your X driver is improved. Hopefully that will
fix it. But I think it actually about 50/50 that it won't. See the
Bug#687442 for a trail of problems with the 3.2 Wheezy kernel due to
removed support for various hardware. But also included is a solution
using a proposed kernel with forward/backward ported support for much
of the hardware.

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687442

Hopefully that proposed test kernel will resolve your hardware support
issues. If not then I suggest repeating the above one last time using
the experimental linux-image-3.7-trunk-$ARCH kernel.

I would avoid the work of the full re-install, it isn't needed, and
try the newer kernels out in isolation first. If any of those work
then you are good to go.

Bob

Chris Evans 02-08-2013 06:05 AM

Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
 
Thanks Bob,

I think this can be marked "SOLVED" (I find searching for that word alongside problems increasingly useful!)

I can vouch for that fixing both the screen resolution and the suspend problem.

Not sure the syntax in your 2nd apt-get line is correct but I've forgotten what I had to tweak now.

Many thanks to Bob and all who helped: hugely appreciated.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Proulx" <bob@proulx.com>
> To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Monday, 28 January, 2013 11:27:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
>
> Chris Evans wrote:
> > > Marek Straka wrote:
> > > Install debian - wheezy. It is nearly stable. You have quite new
> > > hardware in your notebook.
> >
> > Yes, I wondered if that was the way to go. Am I right in thinking
> > that there's a wheezy live install option? I'm sure that if there
> > is, that should be a good next step.
>
> Since you already have Squeeze 6 installed I wouldn't be completely
> hasty about re-installing. Because the Wheezy installation process
> is
> still not ready for prime time. Instead I would add backports to the
> sources.list file and install the backported kernel as a first step.
> Because you undoubtedly need a newer kernel to match your newer
> hardware. Because your graphics problems are that it doesn't know
> about your newer hardware and so has fallen back to the vesa driver.
>
> deb http://backports.debian.org/debian-backports squeeze-backports
> contrib non-free
>
> Then:
>
> # apt-get update
> # apt-get install -t squeeze-backports install
> firmware-linux-nonfree firmware-linux-free
> linux-image-3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae
>
> Replace "686-pae" with the appropriate kernel matching what you have
> already installed on your machine. Likely candidates are "686-pae"
> and "amd64".
>
> Then reboot and see if your X driver is improved. Hopefully that
> will
> fix it. But I think it actually about 50/50 that it won't. See the
> Bug#687442 for a trail of problems with the 3.2 Wheezy kernel due to
> removed support for various hardware. But also included is a
> solution
> using a proposed kernel with forward/backward ported support for much
> of the hardware.
>
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=687442
>
> Hopefully that proposed test kernel will resolve your hardware
> support
> issues. If not then I suggest repeating the above one last time
> using
> the experimental linux-image-3.7-trunk-$ARCH kernel.
>
> I would avoid the work of the full re-install, it isn't needed, and
> try the newer kernels out in isolation first. If any of those work
> then you are good to go.
>
> Bob
>

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Bob Proulx 02-08-2013 06:15 PM

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Chris Evans wrote:
> I can vouch for that fixing both the screen resolution and the
> suspend problem.

Yay!

Just to add more information here for other people with that laptop,
which kernel did you end up using for your machine?

Bob

02-09-2013 10:08 PM

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Good point.

At the moment uname -a gives me:

3.2.0-0.bpo.4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.2.35-2~bpo60+1 i686 GNU/Linux

I'm not sure why I chose that (!) and I confess I may not have completely solved the suspending problem. However, the machine no longer locks up after I shut the lid which is progress. I'll go on checking that.

Are there things I can usefully do to put more information about the machine into places where it will be useful to people wanting to install Debian (or perhaps related distros)?

C

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Proulx" <bob@proulx.com>
> To: debian-laptop@lists.debian.org
> Sent: Friday, 8 February, 2013 7:15:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Installing Debian (currently squeeze) on Toshiba Satellite L750-170
>
> Chris Evans wrote:
> > I can vouch for that fixing both the screen resolution and the
> > suspend problem.
>
> Yay!
>
> Just to add more information here for other people with that laptop,
> which kernel did you end up using for your machine?
>
> Bob
>

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