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Old 01-14-2008, 06:47 PM
Preston Boyington
 
Default issues with HP dv5000 laptop

I have installed Debian (and Ubuntu) on this laptop several times and I
am stumped. If I use Debian 4.0r2 (currently "stable") I don't have any
problems with the font size in gdm, but if I directly install "testing"
from a netinst cd or do a dist-upgrade the fonts are gigantic.


Imagine the circles that obscure your password while logging into your
session in gdm being about the size of ping pong balls. then when Gnome
initially starts the upper and lower bars are about a third of the
screen apiece. After a moment they will go to a normal size, but any
font in gdm and its' associated menu entry will be super-sized. This
makes it very difficult to change sessions.


This problem also affected me when I was using Ubuntu based Geubuntu on
this same computer. I had thought that it was an issue with Ubuntu, but
now see that it might be something else (Gnome I would imagine).


With the Ubuntu based systems I added and tried gdm, kdm, and xdm. Of
them only xdm presented the font in a manner that was normal (although
it was not overly attractive).


I also had used b43-fwcutter while in the Ubuntu based distros and got
the internal wireless working. Currently on pure Debian I haven't been
able to get the internal wireless working (yet) and the pcmcia wireless
card will show wireless networks, but hasn't connected to any as yet
(will look into that in a bit).


I am installing linux on this machine for a friend and any information
would be appreciated. This is an HP Pavillion DV5000 with the Intel
Centrino processor.


Thanks folks,
Preston

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Old 01-14-2008, 06:58 PM
"Adriano Bonat"
 
Default issues with HP dv5000 laptop

I have the same notebook, when I was using Debian with KDM (etch)
everything was ok, now I was testing Kubuntu and I have always in kdm
that big fonts problem, after login, everything is ok.

They say that the solution is specify a DisplaySize in your xorg.conf,
but for me doesnt work.

Regards.

On Jan 14, 2008 5:47 PM, Preston Boyington <preston.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have installed Debian (and Ubuntu) on this laptop several times and I
> am stumped. If I use Debian 4.0r2 (currently "stable") I don't have any
> problems with the font size in gdm, but if I directly install "testing"
> from a netinst cd or do a dist-upgrade the fonts are gigantic.
>
> Imagine the circles that obscure your password while logging into your
> session in gdm being about the size of ping pong balls. then when Gnome
> initially starts the upper and lower bars are about a third of the
> screen apiece. After a moment they will go to a normal size, but any
> font in gdm and its' associated menu entry will be super-sized. This
> makes it very difficult to change sessions.
>
> This problem also affected me when I was using Ubuntu based Geubuntu on
> this same computer. I had thought that it was an issue with Ubuntu, but
> now see that it might be something else (Gnome I would imagine).
>
> With the Ubuntu based systems I added and tried gdm, kdm, and xdm. Of
> them only xdm presented the font in a manner that was normal (although
> it was not overly attractive).
>
> I also had used b43-fwcutter while in the Ubuntu based distros and got
> the internal wireless working. Currently on pure Debian I haven't been
> able to get the internal wireless working (yet) and the pcmcia wireless
> card will show wireless networks, but hasn't connected to any as yet
> (will look into that in a bit).
>
> I am installing linux on this machine for a friend and any information
> would be appreciated. This is an HP Pavillion DV5000 with the Intel
> Centrino processor.
>
> Thanks folks,
> Preston
>
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Old 01-14-2008, 11:10 PM
cga2000
 
Default issues with HP dv5000 laptop

On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 02:58:19PM EST, Adriano Bonat wrote:

er .. should I top-post so as to keep everything in sequence?

> I have the same notebook, when I was using Debian with KDM (etch)
> everything was ok, now I was testing Kubuntu and I have always in kdm
> that big fonts problem, after login, everything is ok.
>
> They say that the solution is specify a DisplaySize in your xorg.conf,
> but for me doesnt work.

I tried that and it made no difference as to what xorg actually sees.

$ xdpyinfo

.. still reports:

screen #0:
dimensions: 1400x1050 pixels (356x267 millimeters)
resolution: 100x100 dots per inch

Xorg is apparently not even able to compute the resolution correctly.

I measured my display and the result is more like 116x116 .. go figure.

In any case I don't see what might justify forcing the display size to
value that ain't right in the first place.

> Regards.
>
> On Jan 14, 2008 5:47 PM, Preston Boyington <preston.lists@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I have installed Debian (and Ubuntu) on this laptop several times and I
> > am stumped. If I use Debian 4.0r2 (currently "stable") I don't have any
> > problems with the font size in gdm, but if I directly install "testing"
> > from a netinst cd or do a dist-upgrade the fonts are gigantic.
> >
> > Imagine the circles that obscure your password while logging into your
> > session in gdm being about the size of ping pong balls. then when Gnome
> > initially starts the upper and lower bars are about a third of the
> > screen apiece. After a moment they will go to a normal size, but any
> > font in gdm and its' associated menu entry will be super-sized. This
> > makes it very difficult to change sessions.
> >
> > This problem also affected me when I was using Ubuntu based Geubuntu on
> > this same computer. I had thought that it was an issue with Ubuntu, but
> > now see that it might be something else (Gnome I would imagine).
> >
> > With the Ubuntu based systems I added and tried gdm, kdm, and xdm. Of
> > them only xdm presented the font in a manner that was normal (although
> > it was not overly attractive).
> >
> > I also had used b43-fwcutter while in the Ubuntu based distros and got
> > the internal wireless working. Currently on pure Debian I haven't been
> > able to get the internal wireless working (yet) and the pcmcia wireless
> > card will show wireless networks, but hasn't connected to any as yet
> > (will look into that in a bit).
> >
> > I am installing linux on this machine for a friend and any information
> > would be appreciated. This is an HP Pavillion DV5000 with the Intel
> > Centrino processor.

When I went from Red Hat 7.3 to debian sarge, it took me 3 months (!)
before I could finally adjust my fonts to something sensible. At the
time I used a complicated environment, with the Window Maker desktop,
some gnome/gtk applications (gimp, mozilla ..) and some KDE/QT stuff
such as LyX. All I wanted was to have the same fonts, at the same
pointsize in all my applications (desktop menus, applications menus,
application text).

I must have learned from this experience because when I upgraded to
debian etch, the current stable release, much to my annoyance, I ran
into exactly the same problems but this time it took me only a couple of
weeks to end up with a satisfying environment.

If as I understand it you are a gnome user, the gnome "control centre" I
think that's what they call it should let you customize your fonts on
the fly.

If this fails, or if you don't have the gnome desktop installed, you
could try the gtk-theme-switch package. It's a mini-gui app that has a
half-hidden option that lets you change menu fonts on the fly .. and
therefore immediately see the result.

Priceless.

IIRC the package has two different guis for GTK1 and GTK2.

If you use KDE apps and want them to be consistent with gnome in terms
of font family & point size, you may have to install the KDE desktop so
as to have access to the the KDE font customization options.

Otherwise you will have to locate the KDE config files, guess their
syntax .. and edit them. Back up the originals just in case.

Unfortunately, it doesn't end here.

Another area you will have to investigate is fontconfig.

Try ..

$ man fc-list
$ man fc-cache

Lastly, if you use mozilla products, and you menus are not consistent
with the rest of your stuff you may have to dig into their online doc
and that should tell you the .mozilla files you need to edit to change
your fonts.

Good luck.
cga



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Old 01-15-2008, 06:25 PM
Florian Kulzer
 
Default issues with HP dv5000 laptop

On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 17:58:19 -0200, Adriano Bonat wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2008 5:47 PM, Preston Boyington wrote:
> > I have installed Debian (and Ubuntu) on this laptop several times and I
> > am stumped. If I use Debian 4.0r2 (currently "stable") I don't have any
> > problems with the font size in gdm, but if I directly install "testing"
> > from a netinst cd or do a dist-upgrade the fonts are gigantic.
> >
> > Imagine the circles that obscure your password while logging into your
> > session in gdm being about the size of ping pong balls. then when Gnome
> > initially starts the upper and lower bars are about a third of the
> > screen apiece. After a moment they will go to a normal size, but any
> > font in gdm and its' associated menu entry will be super-sized. This
> > makes it very difficult to change sessions.

[...]

> I have the same notebook, when I was using Debian with KDM (etch)
> everything was ok, now I was testing Kubuntu and I have always in kdm
> that big fonts problem, after login, everything is ok.
>
> They say that the solution is specify a DisplaySize in your xorg.conf,
> but for me doesnt work.

Putting the DisplaySize into xorg.conf used to be a good way to ensure
consistent DPI settings, because this was independent of how you started
X, but as far as I can tell this approach does not work reliably anymore
at the moment for both Lenny and Sid.

Two important commands to figure out what is going on:

xdpyinfo | egrep 'dim|resol'
ps -ef | grep '/usr/bin/X[ ]'

The first one displays the DPI current settings, the second one shows
which parameters were passed to X when it was started - watch out for an
incorrect "-dpi ..." specification here. I have the impression that it
is currently necessary to enforce a correct DPI setting; Xorg seems to
adjust its ideas about the display dimensions based on that.

----------

If you use startx you can try "startx -- -dpi XXX", replacing "XXX" with
your calculated correct DPI value. Also, watch out for this line in
/etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc:

exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp

You can adjust the dpi value here to save you typing when you start X.

----------

If you log in with KDM then you have to edit this line in
/var/run/kdm/kdmrc:

ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp

You can add the -dpi option here:

ServerArgsLocal=-nolisten tcp -dpi XXX

and restart kdm. ("invokde-rc.d kdm restart") In any case, make sure to
keep the "-nolisten tcp" part unless you really know what you are doing.

----------

If you use XDM then you can enforce the DPI setting by editing this line
in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers:

:0 local /usr/bin/X :0 vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp

and restarting XDM. ("invokde-rc.d xdm restart")

----------

I don't know GDM too well, unfortunately. I think that this section in
/usr/share/gdm/defaults.conf might be a good place to start:

[server-Standard]
name=Standard server
command=/usr/bin/X -audit 0

I would hope that adding " -dpi XXX" to the "command" line will work.
The file has a few other lines that start with "command=/usr/bin/X", so
it might be necessary to try those as well.

----------

Finally, some applications can still show wrong font sizes even if
Xorg's DPI setting is correct, e.g. iceweasel and openoffice.org. In
that case it might help to run

echo "Xft.dpi: 96" | xrdb -merge

(adjust "96" as necessary)

and to restart the problematic program. If this works it can be made
permanent by adding the line

Xft.dpi: 96

to ~/.Xresources.

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Old 01-15-2008, 08:47 PM
Jörg-Volker Peetz
 
Default issues with HP dv5000 laptop

Florian Kulzer wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2008 at 17:58:19 -0200, Adriano Bonat wrote:
>> On Jan 14, 2008 5:47 PM, Preston Boyington wrote:
>>> I have installed Debian (and Ubuntu) on this laptop several times and I
>>> am stumped. If I use Debian 4.0r2 (currently "stable") I don't have any
>>> problems with the font size in gdm, but if I directly install "testing"
>>> from a netinst cd or do a dist-upgrade the fonts are gigantic.
[...]
>> I have the same notebook, when I was using Debian with KDM (etch)
>> everything was ok, now I was testing Kubuntu and I have always in kdm
>> that big fonts problem, after login, everything is ok.
>>
>> They say that the solution is specify a DisplaySize in your xorg.conf,
>> but for me doesnt work.
>
> Putting the DisplaySize into xorg.conf used to be a good way to ensure
> consistent DPI settings, because this was independent of how you started
> X, but as far as I can tell this approach does not work reliably anymore
> at the moment for both Lenny and Sid.
>
Since version 1.3 of the xserver-xorg-core package the configuration file
xorg.conf has more flexibility for multi-head configuration. The different heads
(outputs) of the graphical unit can be bound to different monitor sections via
an option called "Monitor-<ouputname>" in the device section (compare man-page
xorg.conf(5): monitor section). Especially in notebooks, the LCD called LVDS
(compare /var/log/Xorg.0.log) is sometimes not bound to the monitor section (and
its settings) without this additional option in the device section. An example
configuration (for an intel graphic device but transferable to any hardware) can
be found on http://www.intellinuxgraphics.com/dualhead.html.
> Two important commands to figure out what is going on:
>
> xdpyinfo | egrep 'dim|resol'
> ps -ef | grep '/usr/bin/X[ ]'
>
> The first one displays the DPI current settings, the second one shows
> which parameters were passed to X when it was started - watch out for an
> incorrect "-dpi ..." specification here. I have the impression that it
> is currently necessary to enforce a correct DPI setting; Xorg seems to
> adjust its ideas about the display dimensions based on that.
>
Interesting is also the output of the command xrandr to learn about the
available graphical outputs and to configure them.
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Old 01-16-2008, 01:24 AM
cga2000
 
Default issues with HP dv5000 laptop

On Tue, Jan 15, 2008 at 02:25:38PM EST, Florian Kulzer wrote:

[..]

I do realize that the above is likely offered more as a workaround than
a solution, but ..

. The same font at the same pointsize looks considerably better on a
600dpi printer than on a 60dpi, 6dpi, .6dpi printer etc.

Agreed?

So why should Xorg be any different than printers.. why should I have
to trick him into thinking I'm using a display with a lower
resolution than what I paid for?

. Incidentally, I once tried both the DisplaySize and -dpi nnn tricks
and neither made any difference as far as xdpyinfo is concerned .. it
still said I was getting l00dpi no matter what. I manually measured my
resolution and it's 116dpi .. how Xorg figures it's 100dpi is anyone's
guess. I'm running debian "etch" and Xorg 7.1.1, revision 0.

Cheers,
cga.


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Old 01-16-2008, 06:30 AM
Christian Knorr
 
Default issues with HP dv5000 laptop

Am Montag 14 Januar 2008 20:47:52 schrieb Preston Boyington:
> ... the fonts are gigantic.

Hello @All
(sorry 4 my english)

Try to add Option "NoDDC" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf:

...
Section "Device"
Identifier "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML
Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
Driver "intel"
BusID "PCI:0:2:0"
Option "NoDDC"
EndSection
...

This resolved my problem with the big font in kdm.

Greetings, Chris.......


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