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Old 11-28-2007, 07:44 PM
Frank Küster
 
Default Bug#370651: closed by maximilian attems ( kernel-headers are missing infrastructure needed to build modules with kernel-package)

Hi Maximilian,

I'm sorry I don't understand what you want to tell me.

owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System) wrote:

> a bug report is not a support request,

But this bug was a request to provide proper documentation. I even
offered to write it IIRC, if only someone helped me to find the
necessary information.

> if using the linux-headers and linux-support infrastructure
> please holler on debian-kernel.

Why should I? I was using kernel-package, and its maintainer reassigned
the bug to kernel-headers. If you think this package or its successors
are not responsible for the fact that kernel-package documentation and
kernel-headers behavior do not match, please reassign the bug to the
package you think is responsible, instead of closing it.

> for kernel-package question please direct them directly to Manoj,
> we do not maintain it.

Then why don't you reassign the bug back, or speak to Manoj yourself? I
don't know anything about the issue except that it (kernel-headers)
doesn't work as advertised (by kernel-package), so I cannot argue with
him. You probably can.

> so closing for good now this one as kernel-headers are gone!

Now that sounds like a bad reason to close a bug. There's probably still
some package which installs kernel headers, isn't it?

> irc this is even a dup.

In which case you should have merged it, not closed.

Regards, Frank
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Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
 
Old 11-28-2007, 10:40 PM
maximilian attems
 
Default Bug#370651: closed by maximilian attems ( kernel-headers are missing infrastructure needed to build modules with kernel-package)

hello frank,

big admiration for your tex work, i really appreciate daily.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2007 at 09:44:55PM +0100, Frank Küster wrote:
> Hi Maximilian,
>
> I'm sorry I don't understand what you want to tell me.
>
> owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System) wrote:
>
> > a bug report is not a support request,
>
> But this bug was a request to provide proper documentation. I even
> offered to write it IIRC, if only someone helped me to find the
> necessary information.

not the bug report is a strange conversation with manoj about
kernel-package. we already stated x time that we don't maintain
kernel-package. also i have zero info from it what should be missing.

> > if using the linux-headers and linux-support infrastructure
> > please holler on debian-kernel.
>
> Why should I? I was using kernel-package, and its maintainer reassigned
> the bug to kernel-headers. If you think this package or its successors
> are not responsible for the fact that kernel-package documentation and
> kernel-headers behavior do not match, please reassign the bug to the
> package you think is responsible, instead of closing it.

reality check on.
if "nobody" would be able to build external modules,
we would have the bts full of strange reports.
as a matter of fact it is possible.

the easy way to do it is module-assisstant. i already told that a year
ago and no i'm not keen keeping useless bugs open.

> > irc this is even a dup.
>
> In which case you should have merged it, not closed.

i might come back even grumpier next time when i'll hit the dup
no real please use module-assisant and be happy.
kernel-package is even no longer a supported way to build linux-2.6

best regards

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Old 11-29-2007, 06:45 PM
Frank Küster
 
Default Bug#370651: closed by maximilian attems ( kernel-headers are missing infrastructure needed to build modules with kernel-package)

reopen 370651
reassign 370651 kernel-package
# Manoj, feel free to add a wontfix tag, but this *is* a bug in kernel-package
# tag 370651 wontfix
thanks

maximilian attems <max@stro.at> wrote:

>> > if using the linux-headers and linux-support infrastructure
>> > please holler on debian-kernel.
>>
>> Why should I? I was using kernel-package, and its maintainer reassigned
>> the bug to kernel-headers. If you think this package or its successors
>> are not responsible for the fact that kernel-package documentation and
>> kernel-headers behavior do not match, please reassign the bug to the
>> package you think is responsible, instead of closing it.
>
> reality check on.
> if "nobody" would be able to build external modules,
> we would have the bts full of strange reports.
> as a matter of fact it is possible.

As a matter of fact, I was following what I understood from the
documentation of kernel-package - so obviously the documentation is
either wrong, or it is hard to understand it with the kind of background
that I have. And I do think that documentation for Debian's (Linux)
kernel infrastructure should be written in a way that allows not only an
experienced developer, but at least an experienced user to compile
external modules.

> the easy way to do it is module-assisstant. i already told that a year
> ago and no i'm not keen keeping useless bugs open.

If that's the best advice we can get, kernel-package's documentation
should mention that it should only be used by experience people - it
should do that at the places where one finds it, in particular in the
description of the modules_image target in the make-kpkg manpage.

>> > irc this is even a dup.
>>
>> In which case you should have merged it, not closed.
>
> i might come back even grumpier next time when i'll hit the dup
> no real please use module-assisant and be happy.
> kernel-package is even no longer a supported way to build linux-2.6

Ah, that's interesting. I don't see any documentation on this in
kernel-package in sid, nor a bug report requesting to add it. I do see
that kernel-package has quite a lot of rather old bugs (both in terms of
submission, and of last modified), but that doesn't mean one shouldn't
use the package...

Manoj, don't you think you should indicate in your package if
development of Debian kernels and kernel-package has so much diverged
that it gets hard for you to keep them working together (it seems you
don't get support on this from the kernel-package maintainers...)

Regards, Frank
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Frank Küster
Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)
 
Old 11-30-2007, 01:15 PM
Manoj Srivastava
 
Default Bug#370651: closed by maximilian attems ( kernel-headers are missing infrastructure needed to build modules with kernel-package)

On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 00:40:28 +0100, maximilian attems <max@stro.at> said:

> kernel-package is even no longer a supported way to build linux-2.6

Is this statement accurate? Do the official kernel images no
longer use kernel-package?

manoj
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that's hardly worth the effort." -The Phantom Tollbooth
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