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Old 06-29-2012, 01:12 PM
Martin Sivak
 
Default Coordinating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/InitialExperience with firsboot, anaconda

Hi,

our plan is to keep firstboot alive for OEM and possibly Live CD reasons. In the standard install scenario we will show the firstboot screens during package extraction and probably mark them as done. Firstboot will then show only the screens which weren't configured (if there are any).

Regarding the specific screens:

- Anaconda will have to keep setting the time and timezone to prevent bugs like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=171187.
- We also plan on creating the user (root or wheel group member) during the package extraction step.

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Martin Sivak
msivak@redhat.com
Anaconda team / Brno, CZ

----- Original Message -----
> ----- Original Message -----
> > Hello,
> > it seems that not all relevant parties have been talking to each
> > other; if anyone else should be involved, please add them.
> >
> > In short, a new Fedora feature
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/InitialExperience was
> > proposed, replacing firstboot for the GNOME spin (only) and
> > integrating per-system and per-user configuration.
> >
> > The original suggestion was for non-GNOME spins (including the DVD
> > installation) would continue using firsboot.
> >
> >
> > Now it turns out that anaconda plans to do more setup during the
> > initial installation (including setting up the clock and adding an
> > initial user), perhaps making all of firstboot unnecessary on
> > non-live
> > installations. OTOH for live-{CD,DVD} installations, the same
> > clock/user screens would be displayed in firstboot, sharing the
> > code;
> > if "initial experience" plans to support firstboot screens, this
> > (and
> > the presumed firstboot module API changes) would affect it.
>
> Is it already known what's going to be part of Anaconda? Personally I
> prefer no firstboot at all as it's causing a lot of troubles (we seen
> a few before F17 release) and I like to see basic stuff settings in
> Anaconda (with initial non-super user).
>
> So I think - without knowing what's going to happen in Anaconda, it's
> useless discussion right now. Maybe I missed this discussion, could
> anybody from this team comment it?
>
> Thanks
> R.
>
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Mirek
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Old 07-02-2012, 07:58 PM
Matthias Clasen
 
Default Coordinating https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/InitialExperience with firsboot, anaconda

On Fri, 2012-06-29 at 09:12 -0400, Martin Sivak wrote:
> Hi,
>
> our plan is to keep firstboot alive for OEM and possibly Live CD reasons. In the standard install scenario we will show the firstboot screens during package extraction and probably mark them as done. Firstboot will then show only the screens which weren't configured (if there are any).
>
> Regarding the specific screens:
>
> - Anaconda will have to keep setting the time and timezone to prevent bugs like https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=171187.
> - We also plan on creating the user (root or wheel group member) during the package extraction step.

Hi,

sorry for taking long to answer; a few questions to help further
coordination:

- Can we add an option to firstboot that lets us embed it into another
window (via xembed) ? That would really help us in maintaining support
for third-party firstboot screens with only a small compromise on the
initial-setup user experience. I think Jasper has been trying to get an
answer on this; he can probably provide a patch if needed.

- You mention firstboot will skip screens that have been 'marked as
done'. How is that going to be communicated from anaconda to firstboot ?
We may want to use this information in initial-setup as well.

- You say anaconda will create a user, but then you mention root, so
this is not entirely clear. Do you plan to have a fully-featured account
creation screen in anaconda, including network accounts ? I assume this
is going to be optional as well ?



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