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Old 04-28-2010, 10:10 PM
Alan Duval
 
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> I had a ASUS M3A MB and AMD 64 Athlon X2 CPU which I hadn't used and
> decided to make a PC using it. It will install WIN XP but Ubuntu 8.04,
> 9.04, Linux Mint 7, 32 bits, Linux Mint 8 KDE 64 X86, Fedora 10 Live,
> and Knoppix 6.21 all have problems namely when I open Open Office or
> Firefox the screen freezes. GOS is the only OS that works without
> freezing and that was originally installed on a removable HD on another
> computer with a different MB. This is all strange as GOS is based on
> Ubuntu 8.04. Does anyone know why opening Open Office or Firefox should
> cause the system to freeze with the other operating systems?
>
> Regards,
>
> Alan Duval
>
>
>> I googled your board and suggest you go to this web page and see
>>which is your board and d/l what you might need.

>> http://www.asus.com/search.aspx?searchitem=1&searchkey=m3a

>>Your problem is that Windows can load but Linux can not. Find something
>>that talks to this.

>>73 Karl


Googled for an answer but couldn't find one. Then again I'm not the best
at searching the internet.



>>>Have you discarded hardware issues? Perhaps you should run Memtest
>>>from the Grub screen for some hours and check if your memory chips are
>>>really fine. Linux is less forgivable with faulty hardware than
>>>Windows.

>>>-- L M Nicolosi, Eng


Ran Memtest but no problems.



>>>>Oh, what you just wrote reminded me about something I learnt very early
>>>>when I started with Linux.

>>>>>This may now be outdated with the improvements in the kernel, I don't
>>>>>know, but Linux expects that the BIOS has full control over the
>>>>>computer's resources. This means that you should not have in the BIOS
>>>>>the setting that the computer is using Plug-n-Play operating system -
>>>>>like Windows. Change this setting this setting to "not using PnP
OS" or
>>>>>whatever the BIOS has. Windows will still function perfectly.

>>>>>BC


Checked BIOS settings --- OK



>>>>>>This doesn't seem to be a requirement lately:

>>>>>>https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/pre-install-bios-setup.html

>>>>>>This link provides interesting (legacy?) advices on BIOS config.

>>>>>>-- L M Nicolosi, Eng.

>>>>>>>Thanks for this.

>>>>>>>But doing what I have been doing for years hasn't hurt anything
:-) .

>>>>>>>Overall though, what that page is showing is that Linux expects
things
>>>>>>>to be where they should be, like RAM without any holes or have
video etc
>>>>>>>not shadowed in different parts of RAM. Perhaps whoever wrote
that page
>>>>>>>forgot about the PnP matter :-) .

>>>>>>>BC


Thanks for everyone's advice. I have interspersed my replies above.
This is a strange motherboard. I can probably get by using GOS which as
I said is installed on a removable HD and was originally installed when
on another computer with a different motherboard. However even it froze
on one occasion and as this computer is to be installed in an office
with access to another computer I really don't want any problems.
Perhaps I should replace the motherboard but how would I know whether a
new motherboard would allow installation of Ubuntu?

Alan


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Old 04-29-2010, 04:38 AM
Lucio M Nicolosi
 
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On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Alan Duval <amoht@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> *> I had a ASUS M3A MB and AMD 64 Athlon X2 CPU which I hadn't used and
> *> decided to make a PC using it. It will install WIN XP but Ubuntu 8.04,
> *> 9.04, Linux Mint 7, 32 bits, Linux Mint 8 KDE 64 X86, Fedora 10 Live,
> *> and Knoppix 6.21 all have problems namely when I open Open Office or
> *> Firefox the screen freezes. GOS is the only OS that works without
> *> freezing and that was originally installed on a removable HD on another
> *> computer with a different MB. This is all strange as GOS is based on
> *> Ubuntu 8.04. Does anyone know why opening Open Office or Firefox should
> *> cause the system to freeze with the other operating systems?
> *>
>
>
> Thanks for everyone's advice. I have interspersed my replies above.
> This is a strange motherboard. I can probably get by using GOS which as
> I said is installed on a removable HD and was originally installed when
> on another computer with a different motherboard. However even it froze
> on one occasion and as this computer is to be installed in an office
> with access to another computer I really don't want any problems.
> Perhaps I should replace the motherboard but how would I know whether a
> new motherboard would allow installation of Ubuntu?
>
> Alan

Although not a memory problem, it still seems to me a hardware issue.
(But I'm not sure)

Perhaps you could check:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=pt-BR&q=ASUS+M3A+linux+compatibility+bug&lr=&aq=f&aqi =&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

for issues concerning your MB.

Or try to install the latest version of a Linux release (say Lucid,
why not, still a lot of bugs, but very nice) that should have the
latest drives available.

If not a driver issue, then: could it be the processor's fault? Does
it overheat? Does this MB has any chip that stays so hot that you
could fry an egg on it? Are your fans performing well? Is your power
supply supplying adequate power to your system? Is it properly
grounded?

If you really intend to go for a new MB and keep the same processor,
you could use the tools on the AMD site to check for motherboard
compatibility (w/ AMD processors of course). It is a good start. Then
perhaps you may check with your preferred hardware store for the
availability of brands/models suggested by AMD. I trust they (AMD)
won't suggest you a complete piece of crap. Then you could google for
instance, [mb brand/model]+linux+compatibility+bug.

A new released board might be prone to driver issues with Linux much
more than "old" boards. Nevertheless, usually in short time new
drivers became available and the issues are solved.

It happened to me. Some time ago I bought a nice (just released)
motherboard that turned out to be rather incompatible with the Ubuntu
install procedures. I should have googled for it *before*, didn't :-(
. It took me more than a whole weekend to figure how to make that damn
thing work with Ubuntu, almost sent it back to the supplier. But in
due time new BIOS versions were released, Ubuntu bugs were eliminated
and the MBoard is working perfectly well, better and better, and I'm
still very pleased with it (for the record it is a XFX 8200 - NVidia
chips based MBoard - inexpensive, but very reliable and fast).

Making the long story short: Except for plain crap or very peculiar
and exquisite pieces of hardware, Linux tend to support most PC
hardware, (eventually) given an adequate amount of time.

IMHO, of course.

L.


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Old 04-29-2010, 11:03 AM
Ioannis Vranos
 
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What is your graphics card? Have you enabled its driver?






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Old 04-29-2010, 11:19 AM
Ioannis Vranos
 
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On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 14:03 +0300, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
>
> What is your graphics card? Have you enabled its driver?


Also, do you have any sound issues? Do music files/CDs play OK?





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Old 04-29-2010, 11:26 AM
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Date: Â*Thu, Apr 29, 2010 07:19 PM
To: Â*"Ubuntu user technical support,not for general discussions"<ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com>;

Subject: Â*Re: Installation problem
Â*On Thu, 2010-04-29 at 14:03 +0300, Ioannis Vranos wrote:
>
> What is your graphics card? Have you enabled its driver?


Also, do you have any sound issues? Do music files/CDs play OK?





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Old 05-01-2010, 04:38 AM
Alan Duval
 
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 01:38:53 -0300 From: Lucio M Nicolosi
<lmnicolosi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Installation problem To: "Ubuntu
user technical support, not for general discussions"
<ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM,
Alan Duval <amoht@westnet.com.au> wrote:

> > ?> I had a ASUS M3A MB and AMD 64 Athlon X2 CPU which I hadn't used and
> > ?> decided to make a PC using it. It will install WIN XP but Ubuntu 8.04,
> > ?> 9.04, Linux Mint 7, 32 bits, Linux Mint 8 KDE 64 X86, Fedora 10 Live,
> > ?> and Knoppix 6.21 all have problems namely when I open Open Office or
> > ?> Firefox the screen freezes. GOS is the only OS that works without
> > ?> freezing and that was originally installed on a removable HD on another
> > ?> computer with a different MB. This is all strange as GOS is based on
> > ?> Ubuntu 8.04. Does anyone know why opening Open Office or Firefox should
> > ?> cause the system to freeze with the other operating systems?
> > ?>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for everyone's advice. I have interspersed my replies above.
> > This is a strange motherboard. I can probably get by using GOS which as
> > I said is installed on a removable HD and was originally installed when
> > on another computer with a different motherboard. However even it froze
> > on one occasion and as this computer is to be installed in an office
> > with access to another computer I really don't want any problems.
> > Perhaps I should replace the motherboard but how would I know whether a
> > new motherboard would allow installation of Ubuntu?
> >
> > Alan
>

>> Although not a memory problem, it still seems to me a hardware issue.
>> (But I'm not sure)

>> Perhaps you could check:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=pt-BR&q=ASUS+M3A+linux+compatibility+bug&lr=&aq=f&aqi =&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

>> for issues concerning your MB.

>> Or try to install the latest version of a Linux release (say Lucid,
>> why not, still a lot of bugs, but very nice) that should have the
>> latest drives available.

>> If not a driver issue, then: could it be the processor's fault? Does
>> it overheat? Does this MB has any chip that stays so hot that you
>> could fry an egg on it? Are your fans performing well? Is your power
>> supply supplying adequate power to your system? Is it properly
>> grounded?

>> If you really intend to go for a new MB and keep the same processor,
>> you could use the tools on the AMD site to check for motherboard
>> compatibility (w/ AMD processors of course). It is a good start. Then
>> perhaps you may check with your preferred hardware store for the
>> availability of brands/models suggested by AMD. I trust they (AMD)
>> won't suggest you a complete piece of crap. Then you could google for
>> instance, [mb brand/model]+linux+compatibility+bug.

>> A new released board might be prone to driver issues with Linux much
>> more than "old" boards. Nevertheless, usually in short time new
>> drivers became available and the issues are solved.

>> It happened to me. Some time ago I bought a nice (just released)
>> motherboard that turned out to be rather incompatible with the Ubuntu
>> install procedures. I should have googled for it *before*, didn't :-(
>> . It took me more than a whole weekend to figure how to make that damn
>> thing work with Ubuntu, almost sent it back to the supplier. But in
>> due time new BIOS versions were released, Ubuntu bugs were eliminated
>> and the MBoard is working perfectly well, better and better, and I'm
>> still very pleased with it (for the record it is a XFX 8200 - NVidia
>> chips based MBoard - inexpensive, but very reliable and fast).

>> Making the long story short: Except for plain crap or very peculiar
>> and exquisite pieces of hardware, Linux tend to support most PC
>> hardware, (eventually) given an adequate amount of time.

>> IMHO, of course.

>> L M Nicolosi, Eng.


Thanks Lucio for your advice. I spent a lot of time looking at various sites
but still none the wiser. Some users have had a lot of problems with the
ASUS M3A board but some had no problems.
Also, looking up compatible motherboards was frustrating. Some good Linux sites
with lots of motherboards listed but most several years old and few for 2010.
I think they should remove any older than 1 year as they wouldn't be available
for purchase.


>>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:03:48 +0300

*>>> From: Ioannis Vranos <cppdeveloper@ontelecoms.gr>*

*>>> What is your graphics card? Have you enabled its driver?*

*>>> Also, do you have any sound issues? Do music files/CDs play OK?


*

*Thanks Ioannis for your questions. I have an ASUS graphics card installed.*

*It's a fairly basic one. I don't know the model number as I bought it quite a while ago.*

*I didn't know that I have to enable its driver. Where would one find a linux driver for*

*it, and how does one enable it?*

*There is no problem with GOS being viewed on the monitor.*

*I haven't worried about sound as this PC is for office work.


Reply to messages after each message.


Regards,


Alan
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Old 05-01-2010, 05:50 AM
Dirk Räder
 
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> Also, looking up compatible motherboards was frustrating. Some good Linux sites
> with lots of motherboards listed but most several years old and few for 2010.
> I think they should remove any older than 1 year as they wouldn't be available
> for purchase.
>
Hi,

I don't think removing older boards from compatibility lists is a good idea.
What about those who want to see if their old mainboard is supported by
Linux before they change to it? With all boards older than one year
removed from those lists, they would not know their board is supported
and would stick with their current OS.

I would suggest to feed the databases behind the list with the RTM dates
of the boards and provide an option to list all boards younger than date X.

Regards,
Dirk
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Old 05-01-2010, 12:59 PM
Ioannis Vranos
 
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On Sat, 2010-05-01 at 14:38 +1000, Alan Duval wrote:
> Message: 5 Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 01:38:53 -0300 From: Lucio M Nicolosi
> <lmnicolosi@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Installation problem To: "Ubuntu
> user technical support, not for general discussions"
> <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com> Message-ID:
> <h2yfbeb50321004282138pf1880cf0q981a505d02f96f3d@m ail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 7:10 PM,
> Alan Duval <amoht@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > ?> I had a ASUS M3A MB and AMD 64 Athlon X2 CPU which I hadn't used and
> > > ?> decided to make a PC using it. It will install WIN XP but Ubuntu 8.04,
> > > ?> 9.04, Linux Mint 7, 32 bits, Linux Mint 8 KDE 64 X86, Fedora 10 Live,
> > > ?> and Knoppix 6.21 all have problems namely when I open Open Office or
> > > ?> Firefox the screen freezes. GOS is the only OS that works without
> > > ?> freezing and that was originally installed on a removable HD on another
> > > ?> computer with a different MB. This is all strange as GOS is based on
> > > ?> Ubuntu 8.04. Does anyone know why opening Open Office or Firefox should
> > > ?> cause the system to freeze with the other operating systems?



> Thanks Lucio for your advice. I spent a lot of time looking at various sites
> but still none the wiser. Some users have had a lot of problems with the
> ASUS M3A board but some had no problems.
> Also, looking up compatible motherboards was frustrating. Some good Linux sites
> with lots of motherboards listed but most several years old and few for 2010.
> I think they should remove any older than 1 year as they wouldn't be available
> for purchase.


Did you check the motherboard temperatures? It may be overheating. Did
you overclock the CPU/graphics card?



> >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:03:48 +0300
>
> *>>> From: Ioannis Vranos <cppdeveloper@ontelecoms.gr>*
>
> *>>> What is your graphics card? Have you enabled its driver?*
>
> *>>> Also, do you have any sound issues? Do music files/CDs play OK?
>
>
> *
>
> *Thanks Ioannis for your questions. I have an ASUS graphics card installed.*


Which brand is the GPU (e.g. NVIDIA)?



>
> *It's a fairly basic one. I don't know the model number as I bought it quite a while ago.*
>
> *I didn't know that I have to enable its driver. Where would one find a linux driver for*
>
> *it, and how does one enable it?*


You may check System::Administration::Hardware Drivers.





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Old 05-03-2010, 07:46 AM
Alan Duval
 
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Ioannis Vranos wrote'

> > Alan Duval <amoht@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
>
>>> > > > ?> I had a ASUS M3A MB and AMD 64 Athlon X2 CPU which I hadn't used and
>>> > > > ?> decided to make a PC using it. It will install WIN XP but Ubuntu 8.04,
>>> > > > ?> 9.04, Linux Mint 7, 32 bits, Linux Mint 8 KDE 64 X86, Fedora 10 Live,
>>> > > > ?> and Knoppix 6.21 all have problems namely when I open Open Office or
>>> > > > ?> Firefox the screen freezes. GOS is the only OS that works without
>>> > > > ?> freezing and that was originally installed on a removable HD on another
>>> > > > ?> computer with a different MB. This is all strange as GOS is based on
>>> > > > ?> Ubuntu 8.04. Does anyone know why opening Open Office or Firefox should
>>> > > > ?> cause the system to freeze with the other operating systems?
>>>



> > Thanks Lucio for your advice. I spent a lot of time looking at various sites
> > but still none the wiser. Some users have had a lot of problems with the
> > ASUS M3A board but some had no problems.
> > Also, looking up compatible motherboards was frustrating. Some good Linux sites
> > with lots of motherboards listed but most several years old and few for 2010.
> > I think they should remove any older than 1 year as they wouldn't be available
> > for purchase.
>


Did you check the motherboard temperatures? It may be overheating. Did
you overclock the CPU/graphics card?


Haven't checked the motherboard temperatures but would not think that would be a problem as
I can start from cold and install a live OS, e.g. Knoppix 6.2, Ubuntu 9.04, Suse 11.2, Linux Mint 7 or 8, but as soon as I try to use Open Office or Firefox the screen freezes.

No! I haven't overclocked the graphics card.




>>>> > >>> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:03:48 +0300
>>>>
> >
> > *>>> From: Ioannis Vranos <cppdeveloper@ontelecoms.gr>*
> >
> > *>>> What is your graphics card? Have you enabled its driver?*
> >
> > *>>> Also, do you have any sound issues? Do music files/CDs play OK?
> >
> >
> > *
> >
> > *Thanks Ioannis for your questions. I have an ASUS graphics card installed.*
>


Which brand is the GPU (e.g. NVIDIA)?

Don't know what chip the graphics card uses. All I know is that it is a basic ASUS card
which just supports VGA connection. Seems to work OK with GOS and WIN XP.




> >
> > *It's a fairly basic one. I don't know the model number as I bought it quite a while ago.*
> >
> > *I didn't know that I have to enable its driver. Where would one find a linux driver for*
> >
> > *it, and how does one enable it?*
>


You may check System::Administration::Hardware Drivers.


Did that. It's driver wasn't enabled so I enabled it in GOS but that didn't make any difference to GOS.

How would one enable it with another OS if there's a problem with installation?




Regards,

Alan Duval


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Old 05-03-2010, 11:52 AM
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On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 17:46 +1000, Alan Duval wrote:
>
> Did that. It's driver wasn't enabled so I enabled it in GOS but that didn't make any difference to GOS.
>
> How would one enable it with another OS if there's a problem with installation?


Haven't you installed Ubuntu completely?


Also try running memtest86+.






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