On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 00:14 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:

Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
Severity: normal


Hi,

in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version of
yaird that doesn't exist.


No, it *conflicts* with the old version of yaird that you have
installed. yaird is not included in 'lenny'; you should use
initramfs-tools instead.

Ben.

yaird was present on etch, why it is not present on lenny.
I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev. And my
system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.


Matthieu



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On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 00:12 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 00:14 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
> >> Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
> >> Severity: normal
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version of
> >> yaird that doesn't exist.
> >
> > No, it *conflicts* with the old version of yaird that you have
> > installed. yaird is not included in 'lenny'; you should use
> > initramfs-tools instead.
> >
> > Ben.
> yaird was present on etch, why it is not present on lenny.

I don't know; it was not my decision.

> I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev. And my
> system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.

Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
initramfs. Do not ask us to support systems without udev.

Ben.

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On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:45:05AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:

On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 00:12 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:

>
> On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 00:14 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
>> Package: linux-image-2.6.26-2-686
>> Severity: normal
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> in lenny linux-image-2.6.26-2-686 failed because it want a version
>> of yaird that doesn't exist.

>
> No, it *conflicts* with the old version of yaird that you have
> installed. yaird is not included in 'lenny'; you should use
> initramfs-tools instead.
>
> Ben.
yaird was present on etch, why it is not present on lenny.


I don't know; it was not my decision.


No, it was the decision of a release manager, based on judgement of Max,
described by same release manager as "long-term kernel team member"
which was judging "with his kernel arch maintainer hat on". [1]


So waving off as "not my problem" by the kernel team seems a little odd
to me. If you speak with your kernel team hat on, that is.




I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev.
And my system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.


Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
initramfs. Do not ask us to support systems without udev.


I do agree: despite my disagreement with max on bug#457177 and (many)
other issues of yaird, that does not change that Debian as a project has
decided to only in its current stable release have decided to only ship
with a single ramdisk generator - the one maintained by the Debian
kernel team (or a member therof), and that ramdisk generator depends on
udev.


So I agree that this bugreport as filed is inappropriate and should stay
closed.



Kind regards,

- Jonas

Maintainer of yaird


[1] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=457177#78

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Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:45:05AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev.
And my system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.


Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
initramfs. Do not ask us to support systems without udev.


I do agree: despite my disagreement with max on bug#457177 and (many)
other issues of yaird, that does not change that Debian as a project has
decided to only in its current stable release have decided to only ship
with a single ramdisk generator - the one maintained by the Debian
kernel team (or a member therof), and that ramdisk generator depends on
udev.


So I agree that this bugreport as filed is inappropriate and should stay
closed.

Ok, but that's weird that linux-image got yaird in depends in this case.
It should only have initramfs-tools.


Matthieu



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On Mon, 2009-11-16 at 22:35 +0100, matthieu castet wrote:
> Jonas Smedegaard a écrit :
> > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 01:45:05AM +0000, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> >>> I don't want to install initramfs-tools because it depends on udev.
> >>> And my system which is a video recorder doesn't want/need it.
> >>
> >> Then you should stick with etch or build your own kernel without an
> >> initramfs. Do not ask us to support systems without udev.
> >
> > I do agree: despite my disagreement with max on bug#457177 and (many)
> > other issues of yaird, that does not change that Debian as a project has
> > decided to only in its current stable release have decided to only ship
> > with a single ramdisk generator - the one maintained by the Debian
> > kernel team (or a member therof), and that ramdisk generator depends on
> > udev.
> >
> > So I agree that this bugreport as filed is inappropriate and should stay
> > closed.
> Ok, but that's weird that linux-image got yaird in depends in this case.
[...]

It doesn't. Please read more carefully.

Ben.

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