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Old 10-27-2009, 11:24 AM
Xan
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 14:40 +0100, Pierre Maziere wrote:
> It seems that the update switched the /dev/sda and /dev/sdb which
> explains the freeze during the boot sequence.
> I switched the usb plugs and everything is now back to normal.
> sorry for the noise

You should not expect that USB disks will be found and assigned names in
any particular order. You should specify partitions by label or UUID
instead of device name.

Ben.



Ben, it's a bug. At least formally. A capricious swap between harddrives
that hangs the system it's a bug I think, overall if the debian
installer assign mounts in /etc/fstab by device and not by label or UUID.


Or the d-i mounts the devices by UUID (so bug in d-i) or this is a bug
in the updating the kernel (perhaps it's not the kernel bug itself but
yes the process of updating)


But, don't mind me. I'm just a desktop user (ironicaly) ;-)

Regards,
Xan.



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Old 10-28-2009, 08:08 AM
Bastian Blank
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 01:24:58PM +0100, Xan wrote:
> Ben, it's a bug. At least formally.

Maybe, but not in the kernel. The kernel never documented this values to
be stable.

> A capricious swap between harddrives
> that hangs the system it's a bug I think, overall if the debian
> installer assign mounts in /etc/fstab by device and not by label or UUID.

So it is a bug in the installer, and fixed lately.

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Old 10-28-2009, 02:41 PM
Xan
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

En/na Bastian Blank ha escrit:

On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 01:24:58PM +0100, Xan wrote:


Ben, it's a bug. At least formally.



Maybe, but not in the kernel. The kernel never documented this values to
be stable.



Yes, not in the kernel. I'm in agreement
A capricious swap between harddrives
that hangs the system it's a bug I think, overall if the debian
installer assign mounts in /etc/fstab by device and not by label or UUID.



So it is a bug in the installer, and fixed lately.


What do you think that "fixed lately"? Is this bug fixed?
Why not change kernel as package which has a bug for d-i?

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Old 10-29-2009, 10:36 AM
Ben Hutchings
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 16:41 +0100, Xan wrote:
> En/na Bastian Blank ha escrit:
> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 01:24:58PM +0100, Xan wrote:
> >
> >> Ben, it's a bug. At least formally.
> >>
> >
> > Maybe, but not in the kernel. The kernel never documented this values to
> > be stable.
> >
> >
> Yes, not in the kernel. I'm in agreement
> >> A capricious swap between harddrives
> >> that hangs the system it's a bug I think, overall if the debian
> >> installer assign mounts in /etc/fstab by device and not by label or UUID.
> >>
> >
> > So it is a bug in the installer, and fixed lately.
> >
> What do you think that "fixed lately"? Is this bug fixed?
> Why not change kernel as package which has a bug for d-i?

It can't be fixed in the kernel; it is an inherent problem with the
design of USB.

Ben.

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Old 10-29-2009, 02:05 PM
Xan
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

What do you think that "fixed lately"? Is this bug fixed?
Why not change kernel as package which has a bug for d-i?



It can't be fixed in the kernel; it is an inherent problem with the
design of USB.

Ben.


So, perhaps d-i should put UUID in /etc/fstab by default intead of dev
path. So is it a d-i bug?


Xan.



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Old 10-29-2009, 03:18 PM
Martin Michlmayr
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

* Xan <dxpublica@telefonica.net> [2009-10-29 16:05]:
> So, perhaps d-i should put UUID in /etc/fstab by default intead of
> dev path. So is it a d-i bug?

d-i for squeeze will use UUIDs.

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Old 10-29-2009, 03:31 PM
maximilian attems
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 04:05:59PM +0100, Xan wrote:
>
> So, perhaps d-i should put UUID in /etc/fstab by default intead of dev
> path. So is it a d-i bug?
>

latest d-i does so, thus no point in following up to this.



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Old 10-29-2009, 03:40 PM
Xan
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

En/na Martin Michlmayr ha escrit:

* Xan <dxpublica@telefonica.net> [2009-10-29 16:05]:


So, perhaps d-i should put UUID in /etc/fstab by default intead of
dev path. So is it a d-i bug?



d-i for squeeze will use UUIDs.


Good news, Martin. So in squeeze there is no a bug. But what happens
with this bug in lenny?.
I don't know the debian bug policy. What do you do in that case with
this bug? It's a wontfix bug, invalid? pending? I'm not enter here,
because really it's a technical discussion (debian bugs policy) because
in squeeze there is no such bug.


Thanks a lot for triaging,
Xan.



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Old 10-29-2009, 04:09 PM
Martin Michlmayr
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

* Xan <dxpublica@telefonica.net> [2009-10-29 17:40]:
> Good news, Martin. So in squeeze there is no a bug. But what happens
> with this bug in lenny?.
> I don't know the debian bug policy. What do you do in that case with
> this bug? It's a wontfix bug, invalid? pending? I'm not enter here,
> because really it's a technical discussion (debian bugs policy)
> because in squeeze there is no such bug.

It cannot be fixed in lenny, but I'll add a troubleshooting section to
the NSLU2 page with information about this problem.
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Old 10-29-2009, 05:50 PM
Xan
 
Default Bug#552296: acknowledged by developer (closing 552296)

En/na Martin Michlmayr ha escrit:

* Xan <dxpublica@telefonica.net> [2009-10-29 17:40]:


Good news, Martin. So in squeeze there is no a bug. But what happens
with this bug in lenny?.
I don't know the debian bug policy. What do you do in that case with
this bug? It's a wontfix bug, invalid? pending? I'm not enter here,
because really it's a technical discussion (debian bugs policy)
because in squeeze there is no such bug.



It cannot be fixed in lenny,

Why? What's the technical reason?
What do you think of put an optional script when updating kernel that
tests if fstab has UUID and suggests, before upgrade kernel, to change
fstab entries to UUID entries (it points to some documentation of how to
do that)?



but I'll add a troubleshooting section to
the NSLU2 page with information about this problem.

Great for doing that, Martin. Can you put the link for informational
things? Is it that: http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Debian/TroubleShooting ?



Thanks,
Xan.



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