Currently, in etch, the kde mounting system is either not configured
appropriately, or has bugs or even "missing" functionality perhaps. Whatever
should be the reason for this, mounting filesystems using kde is either no
intuitive or it does not work.

I've a HDD in a USB MSC, which has both ntfs partitions and ext3 partitions.
The ext3 partitions are succesfully mounted with no problems using kde, but
the user doesn't get write permissions to them. Trying to mount the ntfs
partition, I get the bug #418176.

I see this as a very serious issue which prevents debian from being used as a
KDE desktop by non-technical users. How many have switched to other "desktop
distributions" because of this issue alone? I want this for my clients as
well as for myself.

Can anyone point to the root of this problem so that a solution could be
thought of? How about a workaround?

How about making a backport of the fixed hal, will that solve it, and is that
possible?

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Hi,

Dawn Light wrote:
> The ext3 partitions are succesfully mounted with no problems using kde, but
> the user doesn't get write permissions to them.

That is quite natural (and most satisfactory, in any events) that users
who don't have sufficient permissions can't read some files on any ext3
partition, be it permanently or temporarily mounted. Could you elaborate
a little bit on what you expect from the system about your user "getting
write permissions" ?

Regards,

pp


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On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Dawn Light <dawnlight@lavabit.com> wrote:

> The ext3 partitions are succesfully mounted with no problems using kde, but
> the user doesn't get write permissions to them.

There does not appear to be a mount option to get the Linux kernel to
ignore the permissions on ext3 filesystems nor indicate that some
specific user should own all the files. The best you can do currently
is to run find -xdev | xargs chmod a+rwX as root over the filesystem
after mounting, or use another filesystem (adfs, affs, fat, vfat, hfs,
hpfs, ntfs support uid/gid options). The uid/gid options in the
FAT32/NTFS and other filesystems should really become common to all
Linux filesystems, perhaps you would like to persue getting this fixed
in upstream kernels?

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Hi,

> Can anyone point to the root of this problem so that a solution could be
> thought of? How about a workaround?
>
> How about making a backport of the fixed hal, will that solve it, and is
> that possible?

this bug was fixed recently on latest hal package 0.5.11-1 in Sid.
as far i can see, there's no hal backport.

cheers,

Fathi


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I've asked about this subject here
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418176#62

On Sunday 11 May 2008 19:11, Fathi Boudra wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > Can anyone point to the root of this problem so that a solution could be
> > thought of? How about a workaround?
> >
> > How about making a backport of the fixed hal, will that solve it, and is
> > that possible?
>
> this bug was fixed recently on latest hal package 0.5.11-1 in Sid.
> as far i can see, there's no hal backport.
>
> cheers,
>
> Fathi

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On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 07:15:44PM +0300, Dawn Light wrote:
>
> On Sunday 11 May 2008 19:11, Fathi Boudra wrote:
> >
> > > How about making a backport of the fixed hal, will that solve it, and is
> > > that possible?
> >
> > this bug was fixed recently on latest hal package 0.5.11-1 in Sid.
> > as far i can see, there's no hal backport.
> >
> I've asked about this subject here
> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=418176#62

I suppose that you would need to raise it with the Etch-and-a-half
team, http://teams.debian.net/lurker/list/project-etchnahalf.html (fon't
forget to check their archives to see if it has already been discussed).
It might be well worth pursuing in view of the NTFS user-mounting issue.

Nick


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Right. Actually, I only care about the NTFS issue, since this is what is
normally used in removable storage like USB HDD's.

On 2008-05-11 13:11, Patrice Pillot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Dawn Light wrote:
> > The ext3 partitions are succesfully mounted with no problems using kde,
but
> > the user doesn't get write permissions to them.
>
> That is quite natural (and most satisfactory, in any events) that users
> who don't have sufficient permissions can't read some files on any ext3
> partition, be it permanently or temporarily mounted. Could you elaborate
> a little bit on what you expect from the system about your user "getting
> write permissions" ?
>
> Regards,
>
> pp
>
>

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I will make a request or join one if this is an existing issue. Where should I
look for the development of the linux kernel in this regard?

On 2008-05-11 14:22, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 8:00 PM, Dawn Light <dawnlight@???> wrote:
>
> > The ext3 partitions are succesfully mounted with no problems using kde,
but
> > the user doesn't get write permissions to them.
>
> There does not appear to be a mount option to get the Linux kernel to
> ignore the permissions on ext3 filesystems nor indicate that some
> specific user should own all the files. The best you can do currently
> is to run find -xdev | xargs chmod a+rwX as root over the filesystem
> after mounting, or use another filesystem (adfs, affs, fat, vfat, hfs,
> hpfs, ntfs support uid/gid options). The uid/gid options in the
> FAT32/NTFS and other filesystems should really become common to all
> Linux filesystems, perhaps you would like to persue getting this fixed
> in upstream kernels?
>
>
> http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise
>
>

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On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 2:57 AM, Dawn Light <dawnlight@lavabit.com> wrote:

> I will make a request or join one if this is an existing issue. Where should I
> look for the development of the linux kernel in this regard?

The Linux mailing lists should be linked from the upstream website:

http://kernel.org

Here is the FAQ for the list:

http://kernel.org/pub/linux/docs/lkml/

Unofficial archives are here:

http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel
http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/

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