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Old 05-10-2010, 02:08 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

Please tell us what problems, bugs, or issues KDE 4 that make it
difficult to use. Please be very specific so that bugs can be filed
and the software can be fixed. General statements such as "KDE4 sux"
are not welcome, as they do not give any indication as to what can be
fixed.

Comparisons to KDE 3 are welcome, but please do not simply state
"should be like KDE 3". Rather, please state how KDE 4 behaves, and
how you would prefer it to behave (even if that means describing in
detail KDE 3 behaviour).

My intention is to file issues and get bugs fixed, not to fight.
Nobody is ordered to participate in this thread, but all are welcome.


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Old 05-10-2010, 03:39 PM
Valentin Pavlyuchenko
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

Well, I have an issue that remained on my Debian system from KDE 4.3
or even 4.2 (And I have it now in 4.4).
It's a krunner freeze when typing (usually I got it when I mistype something).
If I'm not alone, then it's definitely the bug that must be solved.

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2010/5/10 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>:
> Please tell us what problems, bugs, or issues KDE 4 that make it
> difficult to use. Please be very specific so that bugs can be filed
> and the software can be fixed. General statements such as "KDE4 sux"
> are not welcome, as they do not give any indication as to what can be
> fixed.
>
> Comparisons to KDE 3 are welcome, but please do not simply state
> "should be like KDE 3". Rather, please state how KDE 4 behaves, and
> how you would prefer it to behave (even if that means describing in
> detail KDE 3 behaviour).
>
> My intention is to file issues and get bugs fixed, not to fight.
> Nobody is ordered to participate in this thread, but all are welcome.
>
>
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Old 05-10-2010, 03:54 PM
Valerio Passini
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

Alle luned́ 10 maggio 2010, Dotan Cohen ha scritto:
> Please tell us what problems, bugs, or issues KDE 4 that make it
> difficult to use. Please be very specific so that bugs can be filed
> and the software can be fixed. General statements such as "KDE4 sux"
> are not welcome, as they do not give any indication as to what can be
> fixed.
>
> Comparisons to KDE 3 are welcome, but please do not simply state
> "should be like KDE 3". Rather, please state how KDE 4 behaves, and
> how you would prefer it to behave (even if that means describing in
> detail KDE 3 behaviour).
>
> My intention is to file issues and get bugs fixed, not to fight.
> Nobody is ordered to participate in this thread, but all are welcome.

Probably you expect those that complained about KDE4 to write here all
their complaints. For me KDE is good enough, but needs to be improved a
lot in these sections:
-knetworkmanager. It fails to activate the wifi card if something shut
it, and you need to write in konsole: ifconfig wlan0 up to work around
this problem.
-kprinter is missing completely
-Some grouping problems in the features: why to tweak the desktop should
I go on system-settings, while to change the wallpaper I need to right
click on the desktop and select: Activity?
I bet that almost all of my requests are already in the bugtracking
system, but it's something you can start with. Ciao

Valerio


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Old 05-10-2010, 04:12 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

On 10 May 2010 18:39, Valentin Pavlyuchenko <thevalik@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I have an issue that remained on my Debian system from KDE 4.3
> or even 4.2 (And I have it now in 4.4).
> It's a krunner freeze when typing (usually I got it when I mistype something).
> If I'm not alone, then it's definitely the bug that must be solved.
>

I also would experience Krunner freezes on backspace, KDE 4.2 - 4.3,
but I cannot reproduce now on 4.4. I started 4.4 on a new ~/.kde
folder, can you try in a new user profile and report back? Thanks.

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Old 05-10-2010, 04:21 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

> Probably you expect those that complained about KDE4 *to write here all
> their complaints. For me KDE is good enough, but needs to be improved a
> lot in these sections:
> -knetworkmanager. It fails to activate the wifi card if something shut
> it, and you need to write in konsole: ifconfig wlan0 up to work around
> this problem.

Thanks. I know that knetworkmanager has problems, I use wicd! I'm not
sure that knetworkmanager is meant to start the wifi card, though.
I'll ask the dev and if so, I'll file an issue. Thanks.


> -kprinter is missing completely

Yes, please comment here:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196303

> -Some grouping problems in the features: why to tweak the desktop should
> I go on system-settings, while to change the wallpaper I need to right
> click on the desktop and select: Activity?

That is being redone for KDE 4.5. I'm not certain that it will be any
better, but it will be redone. To push for the right direction, please
add your input here:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=237125


> I bet that almost all of my requests are already in the bugtracking
> system, but it's something you can start with. Ciao
>

Only one was, the other I just filed. Please comment on them both. Thanks!


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Old 05-10-2010, 04:21 PM
Valentin Pavlyuchenko
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

Ok. If it will not help, I'll write it.

Best regards,
Valentin Pavlyuchenko



2010/5/10 Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com>:
> On 10 May 2010 18:39, Valentin Pavlyuchenko <thevalik@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I have an issue that remained on my Debian system from KDE 4.3
>> or even 4.2 (And I have it now in 4.4).
>> It's a krunner freeze when typing (usually I got it when I mistype something).
>> If I'm not alone, then it's definitely the bug that must be solved.
>>
>
> I also would experience Krunner freezes on backspace, KDE 4.2 - 4.3,
> but I cannot reproduce now on 4.4. I started 4.4 on a new ~/.kde
> folder, can you try in a new user profile and report back? Thanks.
>
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Old 05-10-2010, 04:33 PM
Nate Bargmann
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

Dotan,

I think you may have already responded to these in another thread but
after upgrading to 4.4 a few days ago and with a "clean" slate (by
moving .kde and some other 'dot' directories out of the way) I'm down to
one daily annoyance as you've already addressed in the BTS--Konsole
beep.

The other involves the very clumsy way by which separate wall paper may
be placed on each desktop which currently involves activating "Separate
Desktop activities", then zooming out via the cashew, selecting the wall
paper for each desktop, and then zooming back in which is a craps shoot
as to which desktop will be where. There was a reply to that message
about an intent to redo that particular functionality for perhaps 4.6 or
so. It's not a show stopper but it's far from intuitive. On the flip
side, I do like each desktop having its own activity as I can have
different folder views or other widgets on a given desktop based on how
I use it.

for *my use* I have found KDE 4.4 quite pleasant over the past few days,
perhaps aided by moving the old config directories out of the way.
Device Notifier is now useful for me due to the tip provided by another
list member in that thread.

Thanks!

- Nate >>

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Old 05-10-2010, 04:48 PM
Dotan Cohen
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

On 10 May 2010 19:33, Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> wrote:
> Dotan,
>
> I think you may have already responded to these in another thread but
> after upgrading to 4.4 a few days ago and with a "clean" slate (by
> moving .kde and some other 'dot' directories out of the way) I'm down to
> one daily annoyance as you've already addressed in the BTS--Konsole
> beep.
>

Yes, and I see that you've commented on the bug:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177861

Others affected by the issue are encouraged to comment as well!


> The other involves the very clumsy way by which separate wall paper may
> be placed on each desktop which currently involves activating "Separate
> Desktop activities", then zooming out via the cashew, selecting the wall
> paper for each desktop, and then zooming back in which is a craps shoot
> as to which desktop will be where. *There was a reply to that message
> about an intent to redo that particular functionality for perhaps 4.6 or
> so. *It's not a show stopper but it's far from intuitive. *On the flip
> side, I do like each desktop having its own activity as I can have
> different folder views or other widgets on a given desktop based on how
> I use it.
>

Actually, separate activities and separate desktops are not the same
thing! I don't use this feature and I don't want to mislead you, but
you might want to check the kde@mail.kde.org archives as it's been
discussed there. As you mention, all that will change for 4.5


> for *my use* I have found KDE 4.4 quite pleasant over the past few days,
> perhaps aided by moving the old config directories out of the way.
> Device Notifier is now useful for me due to the tip provided by another
> list member in that thread.
>

Yes, 4.2 and now 4.4 seem to behave badly without a clean ~/.kde. I
find that very disturbing and unstable.


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Old 05-10-2010, 05:03 PM
Nate Bargmann
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

* On 2010 10 May 11:50 -0500, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> Yes, 4.2 and now 4.4 seem to behave badly without a clean ~/.kde. I
> find that very disturbing and unstable.

For the record, I had a clean ~/.kde for 4.2 when it hit Sid about a
year ago and upgraded the offered KDE packages through 4.3.4, IIRC, and
then started with a clean ~/.kde for Sid's new 4.4.3.

- Nate >>

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Old 05-10-2010, 05:29 PM
Diederik de Haas
 
Default What needs to improve in KDE 4?

On 2010-05-10 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> I also would experience Krunner freezes on backspace, KDE 4.2 - 4.3,
> but I cannot reproduce now on 4.4. I started 4.4 on a new ~/.kde
> folder, can you try in a new user profile and report back? Thanks.

I have a brand new, clean install of 4.4.3 and I experience 'freezes' as well.
I've put quotes around it since it appears to freeze, ie doesn't seem to do anything for > 10
seconds.
For example: Alt+F2 to start Krunner, type "kwrite" <enter> ... doesn't seem to do anything.
So I start kwrite from the ALI (Lancelot in my case) and kwrite starts and then starts another
instance, probably from the Krunner (since Krunner window disappears).

Other times though, it works straight away, even with the same command. So it's not very consistent.

Diederik


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