Am Dienstag 11 Mai 2010, 21:10:18 schrieb Dotan Cohen:
> On 11 May 2010 09:15, Adrian von Bidder <avbidder@fortytwo.ch> wrote:
> > On Monday 10 May 2010 16.08:40 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> Please tell us what problems, bugs, or issues KDE 4 that make it
> >> difficult to use.
> >
> > Nepomuk / Strigi need to improve a *lot*.
yes, for sure
> > * Strigi sucks up all disk bandwidth and, given enough time, all memory
> > to the point where the oom kill kills my session.
at least it sucks up memory without releasing it afterwards
> > * Strigi index uses all my disk. Removing folders that were indexed
> > (either removing these files, or removing them from the strigi
> > configuration so they're not indexed anymore) didn't seem to have any
> > effect on index size. * Likewise when I completely disable file
> > indexing: the database doesn't shrink / isn't removed.
> >
> > I'd really like to use file indexing, but everytime I enable it, I
> > quickly turn it off again :-(
>
> What version? Strigi in 4.4 seems rather usable, those issues sound
> like familiar 4.3 issues.
The whole virtuoso/strigi ensemble needs a lot of polishing. It is not ready
for simple usage yet.
I have spent some days fiddling with that stuff based on my own experience and
feedback i got from users at sidux.
The best way i found to have a usable index is:
- stop nepomuk and strigi in systemsettings
- move away or delete everything in:
~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend
(there might be incompatible database from virtuoso 5.x in there)
- out and back in to your account
- start nepomuk andv strigi
- let it do the indexing
- test (in dolphin, krunner is unreliable atm) your index
- see if e.g. files under kmail got indexed

for me to have a complete index i had to do 5 runs of strigi.
in the first 3 runs it would not even touch any dot files under .kde
in the end it works fine now but popular searches use a lot of ram.

regards
Ferdinand

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On 11 May 2010 22:41, Martin Steigerwald <Martin@lichtvoll.de> wrote:
> I ccd you since you ccd me. Please do not cc me in the future. I read the
> list and that new thread grouping features of KMail are really handy .
>

Oops, sorry, I'll try to pay attention to that more in the future. I apologize.


>> > IMHO when a config setting is not handled properly on upgrade of KDE
>> > its a bug.
>>
>> Agreed, but it's not one that is likely to be fixed. There seems to be
>> no backwards-compatibility in KDE anymore. It's a problem, I know.
>
> Well I got no reply to my detailed bug report yet.
>

Can you post a link? I'd like to comment on that!


>> > Only one I triaged and filed: The separator "58" for colon for web
>> > shortcuts in kuriikwsrc or something like that it was is not
>> > recognized by KRunner, only by Konqueror. ":" instead works with
>> > both. Unfortunately Konqueror saved it as "58" not as ":".
>>
>> It _should_ be escaped.
>
> It doesn't work in krunner when it is. See here:
>
> [Bug 218272] New: webshortcuts broken after upgrading KDE 3 to 4 due to
> decimal in keyword delimiter which krunner doesnt support
>
> https://bugs.kde.org/218272
>

I see two reasons why that bug was ignored:
1) It's an upgrade issue, and apparently the dev who works on Krunner
(yes, I know who that is) does not consider upgrades a common use
case. KDE 3 never existed?!? This attitude is seen throughout Plasma,
even in minor-version upgrades.
2) It's wordy. Don't mention Linux-Magazine or other irrelevant
things. Just the bug, as concise as possible. Wordy bugs are almost
always ignored. I'm not blaming you, just giving you a hint as to how
to get the devs' attention.


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On 12 May 2010 01:56, B. Alexander <storm16@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just upgraded my workstation to 4.4.3, and I ran into a problem where
> right clicking on the desktop and clicking Desktop Activity Settings causes
> my to disappear.

It seems to not only have disappeared, but to have actually been
removed from history!


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On 12 May 2010 03:37, Allen <blowers@computer.org> wrote:
> At this moment, for me, kaddressbook? *Akonadi did not *get configured right, I
> had to follow this advice to get it to start working:
> http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=79717&sid=ce96096a96a9d8ca3eb b13105dce3d21&start=10#p137002
>
> Having done that yesterday I noticed that the concept of contact categories is
> missing. *Today I found that I only get empty dialogs when I attempt to edit a
> contact! *So for me kaddressbook is unstable.
>

The categories are back in KDE 4.5:
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=222678


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On 12 May 2010 09:58, Ferdinand Thommes <devil@sidux.com> wrote:
>> > Nepomuk / Strigi need to improve a *lot*.
> yes, for sure

It has, it's down to 2 MB of memory in KDE 4.5.


>> What version? Strigi in 4.4 seems rather usable, those issues sound
>> like familiar 4.3 issues.
>
> The whole virtuoso/strigi ensemble needs a lot of polishing. It is not ready
> for simple usage yet.
> I have spent some days fiddling with that stuff based on my own experience and
> feedback i got from users at sidux.
> The best way i found to have a usable index is:
> *- stop nepomuk and strigi in systemsettings
> *- move away or delete everything in:
> ~/.kde/share/apps/nepomuk/repository/main/data/virtuosobackend
> (there might be incompatible database from virtuoso 5.x in there)
> *- out and back in to your account
> *- start nepomuk andv strigi
> *- let it do the indexing
> *- test (in dolphin, krunner is unreliable atm) your index
> *- see if e.g. files under kmail got indexed
>
> for me to have a complete index i had to do 5 runs of strigi.
> in the first 3 runs it would not even touch any dot files under .kde
> in the end it works fine now but popular searches use a lot of ram.
>

Please test Strigi and Nepomuk in KDE Trunk / 4.5, and if you have
problems let me know or file issues. It's all been heavily reworked
and should really be usable now.


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On Monday, 2010-05-10, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 10 May 2010 19:33, Nate Bargmann <n0nb@n0nb.us> wrote:

> > for *my use* I have found KDE 4.4 quite pleasant over the past few days,
> > perhaps aided by moving the old config directories out of the way.
> > Device Notifier is now useful for me due to the tip provided by another
> > list member in that thread.
>
> Yes, 4.2 and now 4.4 seem to behave badly without a clean ~/.kde. I
> find that very disturbing and unstable.

This might depends somewhat on the actual configuration.
I have been upgrading this machine since early KDE3 times, always using the
same .kde directory and I can't remember having any problems.
Certainly not when upgrading from 4.3.4 to 4.4.3 the past weekend.

Cheers,
Kevin

On 12 May 2010 10:39, Kevin Krammer <kevin.krammer@gmx.at> wrote:
>> Yes, 4.2 and now 4.4 seem to behave badly without a clean ~/.kde. I
>> find that very disturbing and unstable.
>
> This might depends somewhat on the actual configuration.
> I have been upgrading this machine since early KDE3 times, always using the
> same .kde directory and I can't remember having any problems.
> Certainly not when upgrading from 4.3.4 to 4.4.3 the past weekend.
>

Yes, only some settings are affected. Default settings seem to be fine.

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On Tuesday, 2010-05-11, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
> On Monday 10 May 2010 17:02:35 Richard Hartmann wrote:
> > On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 22:39, Dotan Cohen <dotancohen@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Really? Please file those crashes! I though that all the serious Kmail
> > > crashers were fixed!
> >
> > Speaking of which... As you are a walking bug filofax:
> > Even though I have to say the d word.. What is the state of
> > disconnected IMAP? Still killing a few thousands emails
> > sometimes, as with KDE 3?
>
> I didn't have it hit me in KDE 3.
>
> I use multiple disconnected IMAP accounts and have without issue since 4.2
> entered Sid.

Same here, even when getting disconnected a lot during operations (e.g. when
using mobile broadband on a train trip).

Cheers,
Kevin

On Tuesday, 2010-05-11, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 11 May 2010 12:16, Marcus Better <marcus@better.se> wrote:
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> >
> > Dotan Cohen wrote:
> >> I though that all the serious Kmail crashers were fixed!
> >
> > How about this little gem that I reported in 2008 (Crash when deleting
> > messages):
> > https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163071
> >
> > I'm proud to report that this has now reached 100 duplicates and is the
> > third most often reported open bug in KDE. :-)
>
> Marcus, I think that Kmail 2, with the Akonadi cache, will likely not
> suffer from this. In fact, I think that bug was one of the motivating
> factors into creating Akonadi! I don't promise anything, though you
> can already test Kmail 2.

I wouldn't recommend that yet, this is still being heavily worked on.

Cheers,
Kevin

Hello,

On tre�iadienis 12 Gegužė 2010 10:35:25 Dotan Cohen wrote:
> Please test Strigi and Nepomuk in KDE Trunk / 4.5, and if you have
> problems let me know or file issues. It's all been heavily reworked
> and should really be usable now.

It's unfortunate that apparently KDE 4.4 nepomuk is like KDE 4.0 release was
for the rest of SC. What are distros like Debian supposed to do if they have
to ship with 4.4? I don't care about nepomuk but, uh, this unpolished product
ended up integrated with kdepimlis part of akonadi anyway making it hard to
avoid.

But if current kdepim trunk ships with 4.5, 4.5 is likely to be like 4.0 all
over again, just for kdepim this time...

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