Helo

In the kde team web said how install kde4 in debian, I'm try and apt this said
me 109 pakages to remove and i don't like loss there:

root@Basatu:/home/basaburu # apt-get -t experimental install extragear-plasma
kdeutils kdenetwork kdegraphics kdetoys kdesdk
Leyendo lista de paquetes... Hecho
Creando árbol de dependencias
Leyendo la información de estado... Hecho
Se instalaron de forma automática los siguientes paquetes y ya no son
necesarios.
starplot libicu38 libsilc-1.1-2 libhyphen0 pidgin-data kwrite
stardata-common openoffice.org-base-core
gpredict libzephyr3
Utilice «apt-get autoremove» para eliminarlos.
Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes extras:
amor ark cervisia cvs debconf debconf-english extragear-plasma-data gdb
gwenview kamera kappfinder
kapptemplate kate kbugbuster kcachegrind kcalc kcharselect kcolorchooser
kdebase-bin kdebase-data
kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-runtime-data-common kdebase-workspace-bin
kdebase-workspace-data
kdegraphics-strigi-plugins kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data
kdenetwork-filesharing kdepimlibs-data
kdepimlibs5 kdesdk-kio-plugins kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts
kdesdk-strigi-plugins kdessh kdf kdm kfind kfloppy
kgamma kget kgpg kjots kmilo knewsticker kolourpaint4 kompare
konqueror-nsplugins konsole kopete kppp krdc
krfb kruler kscan ksnapshot kteatime ktimer kuiviewer kwalletmanager
kwikdisk kworldclock kwrite
libdjvulibre15 libokularcore1 libperl5.10 libplasma1 libpoppler-qt4-2
libqca2 libqca2-plugin-ossl
libqimageblitz4 libvncserver0 libxklavier11 libzip1 okular
okular-extra-backends perl perl-base perl-modules
perl-suid poxml superkaramba sweeper umbrello valgrind xdg-utils xsltproc
Paquetes sugeridos:
debconf-doc debconf-utils libnet-ldap-perl libqt-perl
libterm-readline-gnu-perl gdb-doc kdelibs5-dev
kcachegrind-converters libqt4-dev xpaint devscripts dmalloc kdelibs5-doc
qt3-doc rdesktop qt4-designer
kdeartwork-misc libvncserver0-dbg alleyoop libc6-dbg desktop-file-utils
libexo-0.3-0 libgnomevfs2-bin
Paquetes recomendados
perl-doc
Los siguientes paquetes se ELIMINARÁN:
apt-show-versions aspell aspell-en aspell-es aspell-eu-es bsdgames
configure-debian debconf-i18n
dictionaries-common education-astronomy education-tasks gnuift gnuift-perl
iamerican ibritish ipw3945-source
ispanish ispell kcontrol kde-core kde-extras kde-icon-theme-kneu kdebase
kdesktop kicker kmenuedit
kmplayer-plugin knemo konqueror kpersonalizer ksim ksmserver ksplash
ksplash-engine-moodin kvirc kvirc-data
kwave kwin-baghira libapt-pkg-perl libcairo-perl libcompress-raw-zlib-perl
libcompress-zlib-perl
libdigest-hmac-perl libdigest-sha1-perl libglib-perl libgnome2-canvas-perl
libgnome2-perl libgnome2-vfs-perl
libgtk2-perl libhtml-format-perl libhtml-parser-perl libhtml-tree-perl
libio-compress-zlib-perl
liblocale-gettext-perl libmail-box-perl libmp3-info-perl libperl5.8
libpurple-bin libpurple0 libsnmp15
libtext-charwidth-perl libtext-iconv-perl libtext-wrapi18n-perl
libunicode-string-perl libwww-perl
libxml-dom-perl libxml-libxml-common-perl libxml-libxml-perl
libxml-parser-perl libxml-perl
libxml-sax-expat-perl libxml-xql-perl localization-config module-assistant
mp32ogg myspell-es
openoffice.org-calc openoffice.org-common openoffice.org-core
openoffice.org-draw
openoffice.org-filter-binfilter openoffice.org-filter-mobiledev
openoffice.org-impress
openoffice.org-java-common openoffice.org-math openoffice.org-officebean
openoffice.org-style-andromeda
openoffice.org-style-crystal openoffice.org-style-hicontrast
openoffice.org-style-industrial
openoffice.org-style-tango openoffice.org-writer perl-tk perlmagick pidgin
pidgin-extprefs
pidgin-guifications pidgin-libnotify pidgin-plugin-pack pidgin-themes
python-uno rsibreak smb4k strigi-applet
tasksel tasksel-data wbritish wlassistant wspanish
Se instalarán los siguientes paquetes NUEVOS:
amor cervisia cvs debconf-english extragear-plasma extragear-plasma-data gdb
kapptemplate kbugbuster
kcachegrind kcolorchooser kdebase-runtime-data-common kdebase-workspace-bin
kdebase-workspace-data
kdegraphics-strigi-plugins kdenetwork kdenetwork-filesharing kdepimlibs-data
kdepimlibs5 kdesdk
kdesdk-kio-plugins kdesdk-misc kdesdk-scripts kdesdk-strigi-plugins kdetoys
kdeutils knewsticker kolourpaint4
kompare kopete kppp krdc krfb kscan kteatime kuiviewer kwikdisk kworldclock
kwrite libdjvulibre15
libokularcore1 libperl5.10 libplasma1 libpoppler-qt4-2 libqca2
libqca2-plugin-ossl libqimageblitz4
libvncserver0 libxklavier11 libzip1 okular okular-extra-backends perl-suid
poxml superkaramba sweeper
umbrello valgrind xdg-utils xsltproc
Se actualizarán los siguientes paquetes:
ark debconf gwenview kamera kappfinder kate kcalc kcharselect kdebase-bin
kdebase-data kdebase-runtime-data
kdegraphics kdelibs-bin kdelibs5 kdelibs5-data kdessh kdf kdm kfind kfloppy
kgamma kget kgpg kjots kmilo
konqueror-nsplugins konsole kruler ksnapshot ktimer kwalletmanager perl
perl-base perl-modules
34 actualizados, 60 se instalarán, 109 para eliminar y 181 no actualizados.
Se necesita descargar 98,9MB/114MB de archivos.
Se liberarán 219MB después de desempaquetar.
¿Desea continuar [S/n]?

What is the solutión.......? the dependences are strong i can't work wihtout
konqueror for example.

Thanks

BasaBuru

El Sábado 12 Enero 2008 11:39:26 BasaBuru escribió:

Helo David


>De: David Bremner <bremner@unb.ca>
>Para: BasaBuru <basaburu@basatu.org>

>Please tell what version of debian you are using in such requests.

>Thanks,

Please dont send a private mail, we loss information

I'm use a sid/experimental Debian

BasaBuru

BasaBuru wrote:

> Please dont send a private mail, we loss information
>
> I'm use a sid/experimental Debian

You should have read Ana's announcement email.
Second, what is in Experimental is not for general user.
If you are using something from experimental, you know what you are doing.

I'm using KDE4 right now (from experimental) and it works good.

Thank you Debian KDE Team. You brought the packages in such timely manner.

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On Jan 14, 2008 1:09 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@researchut.com> wrote:
> BasaBuru wrote:
>
> > Please dont send a private mail, we loss information
> >
> > I'm use a sid/experimental Debian
>
> You should have read Ana's announcement email.
> Second, what is in Experimental is not for general user.
> If you are using something from experimental, you know what you are doing.
>
> I'm using KDE4 right now (from experimental) and it works good.

I'm not sure it works well yet, but not by any fault of the DDs. I
think the upstream KDE team was quite premature in calling it stable
given some relatively basic stuff like configuring the panel are still
missing.

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On Jan 14, 2008 1:09 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@researchut.com> wrote:
> BasaBuru wrote:
>
> > Please dont send a private mail, we loss information
> >
> > I'm use a sid/experimental Debian
>
> You should have read Ana's announcement email.
> Second, what is in Experimental is not for general user.
> If you are using something from experimental, you know what you are doing.
>
> I'm using KDE4 right now (from experimental) and it works good.

I'm not sure it works well yet, but not by any fault of the DDs. I
think the upstream KDE team was quite premature in calling it stable
given some relatively basic stuff like configuring the panel are still
missing.

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On Tuesday 15 January 2008, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Jan 14, 2008 1:09 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@researchut.com> wrote:
> > BasaBuru wrote:
> > > Please dont send a private mail, we loss information
> > >
> > > I'm use a sid/experimental Debian
> >
> > You should have read Ana's announcement email.
> > Second, what is in Experimental is not for general user.
> > If you are using something from experimental, you know what you are
> > doing.
> >
> > I'm using KDE4 right now (from experimental) and it works good.
>
> I'm not sure it works well yet, but not by any fault of the DDs.

To make an analogy:

KDE 4 is a house whose main structure is now standing, which is livable, but
which still needs a lot of finishing touches to make it into the fantastic
house it will eventually be.

KDE 3 on the other hand is a house with a lesser (though still very nice)
structure, but that has been lived in long enough to have reached it's full
potential with all of the rough edges smoothed over

> I think the upstream KDE team was quite premature in calling it stable
> given some relatively basic stuff like configuring the panel are still
> missing.

In Free Software the mantra is "release early, release often"

KDE4 is now at a point where:
- the basic frameworks are in place
- what's there works well enough for daily use

So releasing now is IMHO a Good Thing

But yes, as it stands KDE3 is still the more comfortable house

=> if you expect KDE4 to mach the comfort of KDE3 it's to early to switch,
=> if you're content with works but needs refinement, and are willing to
help (even if only by helping to find bugs and reporting them) now is a
good time to switch.
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El Martes, 15 de Enero de 2008, Paul Johnson escribió:
> I
> think the upstream KDE team was quite premature in calling it stable
> given some relatively basic stuff like configuring the panel are still
> missing.

Stable doesn't mean "with all the features KDE 3 had". :-)

Sure, I also think that the panel has _way_ less features that I'm very used
to in kicker, and I probably am not going to use the KDE 4.0 desktop, but I
disagree with what you said.

KWin, Dolphin, JuK, Konsole, Okular, Gwenview, and lots, lots of applications
(especially from KDE Games and KDE Edu), are ready, stable, and have hot new
features.

Delaying more the release just because Plasma is not fully on par with
kdesktop and kicker, would be unfair to the rest of the projects inside of
KDE.

Just my humble opinion, of course.

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* Paul Johnson <baloo@ursine.ca> [2008 Jan 15 02:21 -0600]:
> On Jan 14, 2008 1:09 AM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf <rrs@researchut.com> wrote:
> > BasaBuru wrote:
> >
> > > Please dont send a private mail, we loss information
> > >
> > > I'm use a sid/experimental Debian
> >
> > You should have read Ana's announcement email.
> > Second, what is in Experimental is not for general user.
> > If you are using something from experimental, you know what you are doing.
> >
> > I'm using KDE4 right now (from experimental) and it works good.
>
> I'm not sure it works well yet, but not by any fault of the DDs. I
> think the upstream KDE team was quite premature in calling it stable
> given some relatively basic stuff like configuring the panel are still
> missing.

Have you read Aaron Seigo's blogs on this topic? There is a reason
they believe they had to do it now otherwise KDE 4.0.0 would remain an
ongoing Beta much like the GNU HURD. Some things just don't happen
until there is an actual .0 release. Friday's release has set a lot of
good things in motion that wouldn't have happened, even though they
readily admit that it is not feature complete and buggy.

I accept their explanation at face value. I can play with 4.0.0 via
live CD distributions and when it stabilizes I'll look forward to
seeing it in Sid. Until that point, perhaps 4.1.x or even 4.2.x, I'm
not quite ready for it to replace 3.5.8, at least just yet. Kernel
2.6.x was out almost two years before I began using it on a daily
basis.

The state of F/OSS software is much better now than a decade ago when I
made the commitment to Linux full time. My thanks to all involved for
a decade Microsoft Free!

- Nate >>

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On Jan 15, 2008 1:27 AM, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
<cobaco@skolelinux.no> wrote:
> KDE4 is now at a point where:
> - the basic frameworks are in place
> - what's there works well enough for daily use

I'm not sure that's quite there... the panel is not at all
configurable, plasmoids cannot be dragged on/off the panel, desktop
icons are purely decorative and nonfunctional, and programs randomly
disappear for no reason from the taskbar (The panel ate minimized
windows a few times, the program didn't crash, I could still switch to
it, it just stopped appearing in the taskbar).

> So releasing now is IMHO a Good Thing

It's a matter of semantics. KDE4 is beta material at best right now,
and the KDE folks should call it as such. The KDE3 beta was
essentially fully functional, and at least was a complete product by
the time it made it to beta. I was using KDE3 well before it was
released. KDE4 is incomplete and glitchy enough that if I were a part
of that project, I'd be ashamed to have my name in the CREDITS for it
at this point.

> But yes, as it stands KDE3 is still the more comfortable house
>
> => if you expect KDE4 to mach the comfort of KDE3 it's to early to switch,
> => if you're content with works but needs refinement, and are willing to
> help (even if only by helping to find bugs and reporting them) now is a
> good time to switch.

Gotta have a pretty high tolerance to bugs and not mind KDE4 getting
in the way of real work a good deal of time, though. Fair warning.

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On Jan 15, 2008 3:18 AM, Alejandro Exojo <suy@badopi.org> wrote:
> El Martes, 15 de Enero de 2008, Paul Johnson escribió:
> > I
> > think the upstream KDE team was quite premature in calling it stable
> > given some relatively basic stuff like configuring the panel are still
> > missing.
>
> Stable doesn't mean "with all the features KDE 3 had". :-)
>
> Sure, I also think that the panel has _way_ less features that I'm very used
> to in kicker, and I probably am not going to use the KDE 4.0 desktop, but I
> disagree with what you said.
>
> KWin, Dolphin, JuK, Konsole, Okular, Gwenview, and lots, lots of applications
> (especially from KDE Games and KDE Edu), are ready, stable, and have hot new
> features.

My first impressions of the new Konsole are fairly negative. Are they
trying to take a page from gnome-terminal's book with keybindings that
are common in terminal programs. "Hey, let's make the default
keybinding for some obscure function we threw in because we got a
single wishlist bug with a code snippet ALT+CTRL+L. Nobody uses that
for a frame refresh key or anything important ever!" And what's with
not being able to automatically resize the konsole back to your choice
of standard terminal dimensions? It's a remarkable step backwards.

> Delaying more the release just because Plasma is not fully on par with
> kdesktop and kicker, would be unfair to the rest of the projects inside of
> KDE.

I disagree. If you're going to redo something as basic and taken for
granted as kdesktop and kicker, it should at least do the basics like
properly capture tray icons from things like wine and Google Desktop
instead of displaying an empty space you can do nothing with where the
icon should be. It's like if a contractor came to remodel, decided
the floors were taking too long and said "We'll get around to
finishing it in three weeks. In the meantime, just walk on the
joists, you'll be fine. Just watch your step, it's 12 feet to the
basement floor!"

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