Hi all,

On Do, 22 Mai 2008, Sven Joachim wrote:
> >From the texinfo NEWS file and the output of the respective
> `install-info --help' commands, I get the impression that all options of
> dpkg's install-info are supported in texinfo's install-info as of

Yes they are.

> - create a separate install-info package from the texinfo source that
> Replaces: dpkg (< 1.15.0)
>
> - remove {cleanup,install}-info files from dpkg and let dpkg 1.15.x
> pre-depend on install-info
>
> But another question is: what exactly do we want from install-info?
> Reading the threads from May 2006, there seems to be no consensus. Some
> people want a database and recreate the dir file from that, like it's
> done for the Debian menu, and GNU's install-info is probably unsuitable
> for that.

Right.

> Another feature that would be very desirable is triggers support. In
> the long run, install-info should probably not be Priority: Required, as
> it's only useful if a package providing info-browser is installed.

Right. So the install-info package should declare an interest in
/usr/share/info and call the necessary stuff.

There is a long transition plan in the svn repository but looking at the
triggers I believe that we can shorten all that to:
- new install-info packages (as above) with interest in /usr/share/info
- a script the regenerates the dir file from all the info files present
when begin triggered
- an update to dh_installinfo to do *nothing* but dropping the files
into /usr/share/info


Now, there is only one problem. I am short on time and overloaded with
TeX Live work. The Debian TeX Group is rather short on man power ATM,
and I have enough to do there.

Unfortunately, Josip from whom I took over the package at some point and
who declared interest in helping, never continued, still hoping (hint
hint ;-)))

On Mo, 17 Mär 2008, preining wrote:
> > I was on an extended hiatus at the time you took over. I'm pretty much back
> > these days, and if you wish to put pressure on me to do some work, feel free
> > to put me back into the Uploaders: field
[...]
> So if you want to help, which would be greatly appreciated, there are
> some things which would need serious thinking and preparation, nothing
> overly complicated: The install-info transition. Most Debian i-i options
> are already implemented in the prerelease version of texinfo (currently
> 4.9.94). There is a transition plan in the svn repository, but we need
> someone to take a few hours/days time to think about it.

I am fine with anyone investing some work, sending me patches, or even
commiting stuff to the svn repository, I will give write permissions
(and as long as you don't hack around in the other stuff like texlive
which is very fragile ...).


Best wishes

Norbert

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On 2008-05-22 17:09 +0200, Neil Williams wrote:

> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 16:36 +0200, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> But another question is: what exactly do we want from install-info?
>
> The ability to omit it entirely if DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS specifies "nodocs".
>>>From an Emdebian perspective, I would rather that dpkg did not
> pre-depend on install-info - rather dpkg should be able to operate
> without install-info ever existing. Not every usage of dpkg wants info
> documents as well.

Yes, I agree. The pre-dependency will probably still be necessary to
facilitate smooth upgrades from lenny, since the maintainer scripts
currently assume install-info's existence. It should be dropped after
lenny+1.

Sven


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On 2008-05-22 17:20 +0200, Norbert Preining wrote:

> On Do, 22 Mai 2008, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> Also the trigger script has to find out alone which files is
>> new/updated/removed. So it requires a bit of work.
>
> Well, the idea was that the dir file is recreated every time. That would
> not need any special thing.

Won't this be a bit slow, if all the files under /usr/share/info have to
be parsed on every install-info run? Also, some people (including
myself) may have local info files which are installed with install-info.
Are these entries going to be dropped silently?

Sven


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