New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome.

Martin

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Quoting Martin Sourada <martin.sourada@gmail.com>:

> New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome.

Not bad. I think we should go beyond optical media because there are other
medias like usb, SD card that can used for installation. Using metaphor like
arrow would be appropriate.


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On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:20 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
> Quoting Martin Sourada <martin.sourada@gmail.com>:
>
> > New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome.
>
> Not bad. I think we should go beyond optical media because there are other
> medias like usb, SD card that can used for installation. Using metaphor like
> arrow would be appropriate.
>
Do you mean some simple arrow, like I used in the system-software-update48a.png
[1] (btw. I mistakenly named the icon in thread subject as
preferences-system-update), or do you have in mind something more complex?

As for the package+CD/DVD metaphor - I think it's so widely used that it
wouldn't hurt to use it in Echo as well ;-)

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[1]
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-July/pngXEc42IWRcy.png

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2008/7/2 Martin Sourada <martin.sourada@gmail.com>:
> On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 18:20 -0400, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>> Quoting Martin Sourada <martin.sourada@gmail.com>:
>>
>> > New draft of system-software-installer icon. Comments welcome.
>>
>> Not bad. I think we should go beyond optical media because there are other
>> medias like usb, SD card that can used for installation. Using metaphor like
>> arrow would be appropriate.
>>
> Do you mean some simple arrow, like I used in the system-software-update48a.png
> [1] (btw. I mistakenly named the icon in thread subject as
> preferences-system-update), or do you have in mind something more complex?
>
> As for the package+CD/DVD metaphor - I think it's so widely used that it
> wouldn't hurt to use it in Echo as well ;-)

You or martin really need to explain why that shit color keeps being
used with software boxes...
take a look here:
http://images.google.nl/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nlfficial&q=software+box&start =0&sa=N
NONE have that shit color.

And to be somewhat more modern i would go for a shape like this one:
http://www.di-o-matic.com/press/Library/fswin/fswin-box.jpg

And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real
cardboard one and not that over darkened one:
http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg

And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it

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Mark a écrit*:



You or martin really need to explain why that shit color keeps being
used with software boxes...
take a look here:
http://images.google.nl/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nlfficial&q=software+box&start =0&sa=N
NONE have that shit color.

And to be somewhat more modern i would go for a shape like this one:
http://www.di-o-matic.com/press/Library/fswin/fswin-box.jpg

And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real
cardboard one and not that over darkened one:
http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg

And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it



Sound like a enhancement. Here is a homework for you. Pick that icon,
read Echo guideline and try to come with a variant using Inkscape. As
Martin and I try to complete the second level menu, an active
participation from critic would be greatly welcome.



Luya

- Interesting that nobody complained about the brown color choice
before.





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On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 18:21 +0200, Mark wrote:
> You or martin really need to explain why that shit color keeps being
> used with software boxes...
> take a look here:
> http://images.google.nl/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nlfficial&q=software+box&start =0&sa=N
> NONE have that shit color.
>
Because:
* I like that colour
* You are the only one complaining about it
* It's picked from the colour palette
* Even though real-life packages are lighter than that, this fits Echo
more, we are not doing photo realistic icons

> And to be somewhat more modern i would go for a shape like this one:
> http://www.di-o-matic.com/press/Library/fswin/fswin-box.jpg
>
We are talking about icons, not about real life. We need an icon to look
decent, have easily recognisable shape, even by colour blind people,
suggest what it symbolises. In a small icon (22x22) you can easily
mistake such box for credit card...

> And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real
> cardboard one and not that over darkened one:
> http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg
>
As I said earlier - the brightness of the icon is result of me trying
various choices and comparing the results with other icons. I didn't
chose the one that looks most like a paper box, I chose the one that
looked most echoey.

> And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it
>
It's intentional. Due to other elements apart from the box, it looks
weird when shorter.

But as Luya said, if you feel like you can come up with something
better, you are welcome to do so, if we feel like it's an improvement
we'll approve it.

Thanks,
Martin
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2008/7/2 Luya Tshimbalanga <luya@fedoraproject.org>:
> Sound like a enhancement. Here is a homework for you. Pick that icon, read
> Echo guideline and try to come with a variant using Inkscape. As Martin and
> I try to complete the second level menu, an active participation from critic
> would be greatly welcome.
>
> Luya
> - Interesting that nobody complained about the brown color choice before.

Not completely true.
I've complained about it before but not to the extend of what i said
in my last post.
I always thought that the brown thing was plain ugly (sorry Martin).

Infact i don't agree on a bunch of the icons made so far.. but i'm not:
1. looking here to just complain
2. not always complain ofcause or not look at all new icons
3. only complain when i really feel that it's just ugly and should not
exist (this icon)

And yes, i can try to improve it but why should i when the color in
general for wood/cardboard is looking like a shit color.
First the color palette to use needs to change before i can give it a try.

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2008/7/2 Martin Sourada <martin.sourada@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 18:21 +0200, Mark wrote:
>> You or martin really need to explain why that shit color keeps being
>> used with software boxes...
>> take a look here:
>> http://images.google.nl/images?ndsp=18&um=1&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:nlfficial&q=software+box&start =0&sa=N
>> NONE have that shit color.
>>
> Because:
> * I like that colour
> * You are the only one complaining about it
> * It's picked from the colour palette
> * Even though real-life packages are lighter than that, this fits Echo
> more, we are not doing photo realistic icons
>
>> And to be somewhat more modern i would go for a shape like this one:
>> http://www.di-o-matic.com/press/Library/fswin/fswin-box.jpg
>>
> We are talking about icons, not about real life. We need an icon to look
> decent, have easily recognisable shape, even by colour blind people,
> suggest what it symbolises. In a small icon (22x22) you can easily
> mistake such box for credit card...
>
>> And if you then still decide to use that shit color then use the real
>> cardboard one and not that over darkened one:
>> http://www.climatechangecorp.com/resources/images/content/large/20073147294_cardboard.jpg
>>
> As I said earlier - the brightness of the icon is result of me trying
> various choices and comparing the results with other icons. I didn't
> chose the one that looks most like a paper box, I chose the one that
> looked most echoey.
>
>> And besides that all the box is the deep. cut of 1/3 of it
>>
> It's intentional. Due to other elements apart from the box, it looks
> weird when shorter.
>
> But as Luya said, if you feel like you can come up with something
> better, you are welcome to do so, if we feel like it's an improvement
> we'll approve it.
>
> Thanks,
> Martin

Thanx for your reply

as you said: "* I like that colour". now if noone comments in here or
only people that do like it then it will get in echo. And because you
like it there will need to be a lot of people here that say otherwise
before you don't include it.

That's also another issue that you are practically the leader of the
echo icon theme. if you don't like an icon that i make it won't get in
and if you make an icon that i don't like (but you do) it can still
get in (this one). And there are to few people reading and commenting
on the art list to get a good idea of what the people think of it. In
this thread it's just 3 people!

And the examples i showed are for the shape! not the color use.
(except the box. it's for color indication) it doesn't need to be
photo realistic, but better then this would be a lot better

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On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 21:09 +0200, Mark wrote:
> And yes, i can try to improve it but why should i when the color in
> general for wood/cardboard is looking like a shit color.
> First the color palette to use needs to change before i can give it a try.
>
Just for the sake of argument. I quickly changed the colours to look
more real, but still be within the boundaries of the guidelines. You are
encouraged to not use the exact colours from guidelines if needed, but
you must not stray too far, if you would it wouldn't be echo any more.
Compare the original (system-software-update48a) to the result
(system-software-install48a), I attach both.

Martin
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On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 21:20 +0200, Mark wrote:
> Thanx for your reply
>
> as you said: "* I like that colour". now if noone comments in here or
> only people that do like it then it will get in echo. And because you
> like it there will need to be a lot of people here that say otherwise
> before you don't include it.
>
Yeah. If nobody raises objections within a week since first draft, I
consider the icon good enough to push into git (we need to progress even
if we lack feedback, improvements to already created icons can be done
along the way). Also if it is approved by both me and Luya, it can be
considered as ready for push.

> That's also another issue that you are practically the leader of the
> echo icon theme. if you don't like an icon that i make it won't get in
> and if you make an icon that i don't like (but you do) it can still
> get in (this one). And there are to few people reading and commenting
> on the art list to get a good idea of what the people think of it. In
> this thread it's just 3 people!
>
I use colours I like in icons I create, I do not reject icon just
because it uses colours I do not like. If I do not like the colour, I
suggest another one, but that's all I do in that matter. Other thing is,
if the icon is blurry, too complex, violates guidelines, ... Then I
object a lot. But if I don't like the colour only, it's not a reason for
me to reject the icon.

Just like I mentioned in the system-file-manager icon. I didn't liked
the silver version so I suggested wooden design. I also said, that I'd
strongly argue against white. But that does not mean I would not let it
be in Echo. If it follows the guidelines, if it fits with other icons
(i.e. is neither over too bright nor dark) I won't block it ;-)

Martin
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