Quoting Stefano Zacchiroli (zack@debian.org):
> Hi, at http://sockmel.bononia.it/~zack/homepage-field/ I'm collecting
> some numbers about the usage of the new homepage field in debian/control
> vs that of the old pseudo-field in package description.
>
> There should be all the info needed for a wish-list mass-bug filing ([1]
> is a direct link to a dd-list, so that people can check for false
> positives), though right now is probably too early (4'000 packages to
> go), but I'm not sure about the current policies for mass-bug filings.

May I point you to http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgHomepageFieldTransition*?


A plan is detailed there, which is the consequence of discussions back
in September.

IIRC (I can't check online right now), it was agreed that a lintian
check would help a lot *before* the MBF, in order to minimize the size
of the MBF.

If you automate some data collection (which is good), I suggest you
link this on that wiki page.

2007/11/30, Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de>:
> for a backport you have to add a changelog entry anyway, fixing the
> Homepage field is not that complicated, so I can't see a problem here.

So your suggestion is to remove the pseudo-field from the description
now? If it is so, please say, so we can move towards there

Greetings,
Miry


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* Miriam Ruiz [Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:38:30 +0100]:

> So your suggestion is to remove the pseudo-field from the description
> now? If it is so, please say, so we can move towards there

Yes, that'd be the suggestion.

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2007/11/30, Adeodato Simó <dato@net.com.org.es>:
> * Miriam Ruiz [Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:38:30 +0100]:
>
> > So your suggestion is to remove the pseudo-field from the description
> > now? If it is so, please say, so we can move towards there
>
> Yes, that'd be the suggestion.

Thanks Dato, we'll review the policy we're following in the Games Team
about that

Miry

* Christian Perrier [Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:55:43 +0100]:

> IIRC (I can't check online right now), it was agreed that a lintian
> check would help a lot *before* the MBF, in order to minimize the size
> of the MBF.

Yeah, such test already exists, but it's an Info:, not a Warning:
(that's what Russ thought it was appropriate at the time).

When the field has reached critical mass, I guess it'll be time to ask
lintian maintainers to bump the I to W. Or maybe it's even time for that
now.

You're right that with it becoming W, the MBF should be much much
smaller.

Cheers,

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Adeodato Simó <dato@net.com.org.es> writes:
> * Christian Perrier [Fri, 30 Nov 2007 17:55:43 +0100]:

>> IIRC (I can't check online right now), it was agreed that a lintian
>> check would help a lot *before* the MBF, in order to minimize the size
>> of the MBF.

> Yeah, such test already exists, but it's an Info:, not a Warning:
> (that's what Russ thought it was appropriate at the time).
>
> When the field has reached critical mass, I guess it'll be time to ask
> lintian maintainers to bump the I to W. Or maybe it's even time for that
> now.
>
> You're right that with it becoming W, the MBF should be much much
> smaller.

I was hesitant to make it a warning because it doesn't really break
anything about the package, but I suppose there's really no point in
keeping the old fields around.

I'll upgrade it for the next lintian release.

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Quoting Stefano Zacchiroli (zack@debian.org):
> Hi, at http://sockmel.bononia.it/~zack/homepage-field/ I'm collecting
> some numbers about the usage of the new homepage field in debian/control
> vs that of the old pseudo-field in package description.
>
> There should be all the info needed for a wish-list mass-bug filing ([1]
> is a direct link to a dd-list, so that people can check for false
> positives), though right now is probably too early (4'000 packages to
> go), but I'm not sure about the current policies for mass-bug filings.


I updated http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgHomepageFieldTransition with a
link to zack's pages as well as updated status for the various steps
described there.

With Manoj starting some cleaning work on policy's bug reports, I
expect the Policy part to be updated quite soon as well (would be good
for me to send a patch)

On Fri, Nov 30, 2007 at 05:55:43PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> May I point you to http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgHomepageFieldTransition*?

Yes, and thanks for this. As it was evident, I was not aware of that
page. And thanks to Russ for mentioning my stats there.

Cheers.

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 13:37:14 +0100, "Miriam Ruiz"
<little.miry@gmail.com> wrote:
>My personal position about this, as well as the current policy for the
>packages maintained by the Games Team, is to have simultaneously both
>the new Homepage header as well as the old pseudo-field in the
>description for a while, until the former is started to be used. In
>any case, we even go a bit longer than that anyway, and keep both for
>a bit longer, to make life easier to backports.

Just for the record, I am going to keep my "Upstream URL" lines in the
long package description of my packages until at least post-lenny,
while adding the new Homepage (which I consider a misnomer) field
during new uploads.

Greetings
Marc

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