On Sat, 2012-10-13 at 20:35 +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> No. However, Debian is an upstream to many other distributions, just as
> upstream developers are to us.
Don't think that's true.
When Debian takes software from upstreams, it's majorly a case of making
a collection (of course with adaptions).
When a derivative take Debian, it's - compared to single software - more
like forking it.
Now forks can have benefits for (free) software, but they also can have
disadvantages, especially if there's no good reason for forking.
Some of Debian's forks may do so because they want to add modifications
which they wouldn't get into Debian easily. E.g. for policy/DFSG
I guess that's ok,... but one can already question whether it wouldn't
be better if it was tried to bring these changes into a state where they
fit the quality of Debian.
Some of course are special ones like rescue disks or so... no problem
In the case of *buntu... well to be honest I don't really see a reason
unless someone wanted to create a company behind his distro, which
wasn't possible with Debian.
And IMHO, making it more "desktop/user" friendly (actually I don't think
that Debian would be not) would have also been possible in Debian
> On the whole, commercial entities cooperate better with other commercial
> entities than they do with volunteer organizations, just as much as
> volunteer organizations cooperate better with other volunteer
> organizations instead of other commercial entities.
That's true... but wrt Ubuntu it sounds rather like an excuse, because
many projects show that it's well possible to build up commercial
support without making a fork.
> I don't think Debian is losing ground to Ubuntu.
Well we'll see... I'm quite sceptical... and truly hope I'm wrong and
people can look back in some years and laugh what that Mitterer jerk
> If anything, Ubuntu is
> gaining ground on non-free software. You can't be angry about that.
That's a tricky question... ask yourself what RMS would probably answer.
Making opensource more open for proprietary stuff is sometimes simply
necessary... but this may ultimately also become a big threat for the
free software world, namely then when that non-free stuff plays such an
important role that we couldn't get rid of it anymore.
When you followed that recent discussion on lkml, where some Nvidia guys
wanted to remove GPL from some kernel source files (for their evil
)... you may see what I'm thinking about.