Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: James Hunt <james.hunt@ubuntu.com>

* Package name : out
Version : 0.0.1
Upstream Author : James Hunt <james.hunt@ubuntu.com>
* URL : https://code.launchpad.net/~jamesodhunt/+junk/out
* License : GPL-3.0+
Programming Lang: C
Description : Utility for producing UTF-8 output to standard streams and terminal.

Command-line tool that can produce UTF-8 (Unicode) strings in various ways and
direct them to standard output, standard error or direct to the terminal
without the need for shell support. Strings can be repeated, delayed,
randomly-generated, written to arbitrary file descriptors, interspersed with
other characters and generated using ranges. Printf(1)-style escape
sequences are supported along with extended escape sequences.

This utility sits somewhere between echo(1) and printf(1) in
functionality with a dash of seq(1) thrown in.

Many example are given in the manual page ('man/out.1') and in the initial blog post:

http://ifdeflinux.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/out-output-utility.html


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On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:00:46 +0100
"James" <james.hunt@canonical.com> wrote:

> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: James Hunt <james.hunt@ubuntu.com>
>
> * Package name : out

Terrible choice of name - utf8-out ?

> Command-line tool that can produce UTF-8 (Unicode) strings in various ways and
> direct them to standard output, standard error or direct to the terminal
> without the need for shell support. Strings can be repeated, delayed,
> randomly-generated, written to arbitrary file descriptors, interspersed with
> other characters and generated using ranges. Printf(1)-style escape
> sequences are supported along with extended escape sequences.
>
> This utility sits somewhere between echo(1) and printf(1) in
> functionality with a dash of seq(1) thrown in.

If that's true, why hasn't this been included into shells already?

Struggling to see a use-case for it, TBH, which doesn't help with an
alternative name and may indicate that the long description doesn't
really describe why it would be useful. Is this just for test suites?
What needs this utility?

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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 07:04:13PM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:00:46 +0100
> "James" <james.hunt@canonical.com> wrote:
>
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Owner: James Hunt <james.hunt@ubuntu.com>
> >
> > * Package name : out
>
> Terrible choice of name - utf8-out ?
>
> > Command-line tool that can produce UTF-8 (Unicode) strings in various ways and
> > direct them to standard output, standard error or direct to the terminal
> > without the need for shell support. Strings can be repeated, delayed,
> > randomly-generated, written to arbitrary file descriptors, interspersed with
> > other characters and generated using ranges. Printf(1)-style escape
> > sequences are supported along with extended escape sequences.
> >
> > This utility sits somewhere between echo(1) and printf(1) in
> > functionality with a dash of seq(1) thrown in.
>
> If that's true, why hasn't this been included into shells already?
>
> Struggling to see a use-case for it, TBH, which doesn't help with an
> alternative name and may indicate that the long description doesn't
> really describe why it would be useful. Is this just for test suites?
> What needs this utility?

I could see using this to test (if I'm reading this right) UTF handling
of apps I hack on. I'm sure it can output RTL or something, it'd be
nifty to see what breaks with all sorts of UTF jamed down it's stdin.

That being said, I don't know anything about this.

>
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On 18/09/12 19:04, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 11:00:46 +0100
> "James" <james.hunt@canonical.com> wrote:
>
>> Package: wnpp
>> Severity: wishlist
>> Owner: James Hunt <james.hunt@ubuntu.com>
>>
>> * Package name : out
>
> Terrible choice of name - utf8-out ?
>
>> Command-line tool that can produce UTF-8 (Unicode) strings in various ways and
>> direct them to standard output, standard error or direct to the terminal
>> without the need for shell support. Strings can be repeated, delayed,
>> randomly-generated, written to arbitrary file descriptors, interspersed with
>> other characters and generated using ranges. Printf(1)-style escape
>> sequences are supported along with extended escape sequences.
>>
>> This utility sits somewhere between echo(1) and printf(1) in
>> functionality with a dash of seq(1) thrown in.
>
> If that's true, why hasn't this been included into shells already?
Well, zsh and bash do provide similar facilities but
out/utf8out/foo/whatever would be able to provide a shell-agnostic
facility to produce such output (like echo(1) and printf(1) which some
shells have I appreciated added as built-ins).

>
> Struggling to see a use-case for it, TBH, which doesn't help with an
> alternative name and may indicate that the long description doesn't
> really describe why it would be useful. Is this just for test suites?
> What needs this utility?
>
Its striving to be a generic facility to produce output filling the gap
between echo and printf as alluded to. Admittedly, I did write this as a
test tool, but have attempted to make it as general-purpose as possible.
Personally, I can imagine quite a few use cases for this utility in
shell scripts. See the examples in the man page for some ideas.

Kind regards,

James.
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