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Old 09-19-2012, 04:31 PM
Jakub Wilk
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

* Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org>, 2012-09-19, 18:25:
I've never seen somebody starting to use "conffile" when he really
meant "configuration file".


Obviously you don't hang out at #debian-mentors.

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Old 09-19-2012, 07:27 PM
Jean-Christophe Dubacq
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

On 19/09/2012 17:52, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On 12-09-19 at 05:27pm, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> ]] Jean-Christophe Dubacq
>>
>>> And this means that automatic management is hard, because they are
>>> generated by scripts, and as such, not easy to store, compare to
>>> default, etc.
>>
>> default doesn't really make any sense when it's a template that's
>> filled in by debconf/maintainer scripts.
>
> In most cases default means what is consistently resolved when
> installing the package non-interactively.
>
> ...but for packages whose postinst scripts actually taking MAC address,
> moon phase or other out-of-band data into account, you are right.

What one wants usually is all manually entered modifications. So, the
result of the postinst script in non-interactive mode is exactly what I
want (to be able to diff against).

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Old 09-21-2012, 08:01 AM
Thomas Goirand
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

On 09/20/2012 12:25 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:

I've never seen somebody starting to use "conffile" when he really meant
"configuration file".

I've never seen it either.

But I've seen many instances of the following:
- A knowledgeable DD write about "conffiles"
- a newbie writing "yes but my configuration files"
- Then the DD writing "I really meant conffiles, not configuration file"

As Jakub wrote: search for "conffiles" in the -mentors list, and I guess
you'll see.


So this *is* a confusing word which I don't like.

Thomas


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Old 09-21-2012, 12:30 PM
Andreas Beckmann
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

On 2012-09-18 09:53, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
>> mirror_2.9-62
>> /usr/share/doc/mirror/mirror.txt.gz
>> /usr/share/doc/mirror/html/mirror-ref.html
>> /usr/share/mirror/mirror.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/dateconv.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/lchat.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/lsparse.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/ftp.pl
>> /usr/bin/do_unlinks
>> /usr/bin/mirror-master
>> /usr/bin/pkgs_to_mmin

The mirror package applies some patches during postinst to conform with
the license.

Wouldn't it be better to ship the "source" in /usr/share/mirror/source/,
copy these to /var/lib/mirror/ during postinst and apply the patch there
and ship symlinks to /var/lib/mirror/* in /usr/bin, /usr/share/mirror?


> fsl_4.1.9-6
> /usr/share/fsl/4.1/tcl/tclIndex

smlnj-runtime_110.74-1
/usr/lib/smlnj/lib/pathconfig

swi-prolog-nox_5.10.4-3
/usr/lib/swi-prolog/library/INDEX.pl

xine-ui_0.99.7-1
/var/lib/xine/xine.desktop


These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
postinst.


What should we do with these? Unfortunately I didn't find a policy
reference that forbids this ...


Andreas


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Old 09-21-2012, 12:57 PM
Jakub Wilk
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

* Andreas Beckmann <debian@abeckmann.de>, 2012-09-21, 14:30:

mirror_2.9-62
/usr/share/doc/mirror/mirror.txt.gz
/usr/share/doc/mirror/html/mirror-ref.html
/usr/share/mirror/mirror.pl
/usr/share/mirror/dateconv.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lchat.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lsparse.pl
/usr/share/mirror/ftp.pl
/usr/bin/do_unlinks
/usr/bin/mirror-master
/usr/bin/pkgs_to_mmin


The mirror package applies some patches during postinst to conform with
the license.


Really? I didn't read the license, but either it's not neccessary, or
it's a DFSG§4 violation: “The license must explicitly permit
distribution of software built from modified source code.”


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Old 09-21-2012, 05:19 PM
Russ Allbery
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> writes:

> Really? I didn't read the license, but either it's not neccessary, or
> it's a DFSG§4 violation: “The license must explicitly permit
> distribution of software built from modified source code.”

I'm not sure why mirror is still doing this, given the correspondence
recorded in the mirror copyright file which says that patching in the
Debian *.diff.gz file is perfectly fine.

The license is not particularly well-written, but given the clarifying
correspondence, the intent appears to be to allow distributing of the
pristine source plus patch files.

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Old 09-23-2012, 05:21 PM
Darren Salt
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

I demand that Andreas Beckmann may or may not have written...

[snip]
> xine-ui_0.99.7-1
> /var/lib/xine/xine.desktop

> These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
> postinst.

That and gxine.desktop (at least) are updated then because the list of
supported MIME types may vary depending on which xine-lib packages are
installed.

> What should we do with these? Unfortunately I didn't find a policy
> reference that forbids this ...

If you have better ideas concerning these, I'm listening...

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Old 09-23-2012, 05:39 PM
Michael Biebl
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

On 23.09.2012 19:21, Darren Salt wrote:
> I demand that Andreas Beckmann may or may not have written...
>
> [snip]
>> xine-ui_0.99.7-1
>> /var/lib/xine/xine.desktop
>
>> These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
>> postinst.
>
> That and gxine.desktop (at least) are updated then because the list of
> supported MIME types may vary depending on which xine-lib packages are
> installed.
>
>> What should we do with these? Unfortunately I didn't find a policy
>> reference that forbids this ...
>
> If you have better ideas concerning these, I'm listening...

you could let the xine-lib packages install corresponding desktop files
for the mime-types they support.

okular (document viewer) has a similar problem. Depending on which
features you enable during configure the list of supported mime types
varies.
The way okular solves this is to install separate desktop files [1]. If
you enable support for format x, it installs a corresponding desktop file.

A similar approach should work for xine-lib.

HTH,
Michael

[1] # ls /usr/share/applicatins/kde4/okularApplication_*
okularApplication_comicbook.desktop okularApplication_ghostview.desktop
okularApplication_plucker.desktop
okularApplication_dvi.desktop okularApplication_kimgio.desktop
okularApplication_xps.desktop
okularApplication_fax.desktop okularApplication_ooo.desktop
okularApplication_fb.desktop okularApplication_pdf.desktop

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Old 09-25-2012, 08:02 PM
Nicholas Bamber
 
Default mass bug filing about packages manipulating/deleting shipped files

> I think it would be worth asking the release team about this. Fixing
> them all might well take a while. These bugs were all presumably in
> squeeze and if there are many of them delaying wheezy doesn't make
> sense.

Moreover as I understand it the version of piuparts that runs these
tests is not yet in sid. Surely it is unreasonable to expect people to
fix these bugs - in the middle of a freeze no less - without this tool.


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Old 09-26-2012, 07:57 PM
Jonathan Nieder
 
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Nicholas Bamber wrote:

> Moreover as I understand it the version of piuparts that runs these
> tests is not yet in sid. Surely it is unreasonable to expect people to
> fix these bugs - in the middle of a freeze no less - without this tool.

Doesn't debsums catch it?


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