* Philipp Kern <pkern@debian.org>, 2012-09-19, 18:25:
I've never seen somebody starting to use "conffile" when he really
meant "configuration file".


Obviously you don't hang out at #debian-mentors.

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On 19/09/2012 17:52, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> On 12-09-19 at 05:27pm, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> ]] Jean-Christophe Dubacq
>>
>>> And this means that automatic management is hard, because they are
>>> generated by scripts, and as such, not easy to store, compare to
>>> default, etc.
>>
>> «default» doesn't really make any sense when it's a template that's
>> filled in by debconf/maintainer scripts.
>
> In most cases default means what is consistently resolved when
> installing the package non-interactively.
>
> ...but for packages whose postinst scripts actually taking MAC address,
> moon phase or other out-of-band data into account, you are right.

What one wants usually is all manually entered modifications. So, the
result of the postinst script in non-interactive mode is exactly what I
want (to be able to diff against).

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On 09/20/2012 12:25 AM, Philipp Kern wrote:

I've never seen somebody starting to use "conffile" when he really meant
"configuration file".

I've never seen it either.

But I've seen many instances of the following:
- A knowledgeable DD write about "conffiles"
- a newbie writing "yes but my configuration files"
- Then the DD writing "I really meant conffiles, not configuration file"

As Jakub wrote: search for "conffiles" in the -mentors list, and I guess
you'll see.


So this *is* a confusing word which I don't like.

Thomas


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On 2012-09-18 09:53, Andreas Beckmann wrote:
>> mirror_2.9-62
>> /usr/share/doc/mirror/mirror.txt.gz
>> /usr/share/doc/mirror/html/mirror-ref.html
>> /usr/share/mirror/mirror.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/dateconv.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/lchat.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/lsparse.pl
>> /usr/share/mirror/ftp.pl
>> /usr/bin/do_unlinks
>> /usr/bin/mirror-master
>> /usr/bin/pkgs_to_mmin

The mirror package applies some patches during postinst to conform with
the license.

Wouldn't it be better to ship the "source" in /usr/share/mirror/source/,
copy these to /var/lib/mirror/ during postinst and apply the patch there
and ship symlinks to /var/lib/mirror/* in /usr/bin, /usr/share/mirror?


> fsl_4.1.9-6
> /usr/share/fsl/4.1/tcl/tclIndex

smlnj-runtime_110.74-1
/usr/lib/smlnj/lib/pathconfig

swi-prolog-nox_5.10.4-3
/usr/lib/swi-prolog/library/INDEX.pl

xine-ui_0.99.7-1
/var/lib/xine/xine.desktop


These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
postinst.


What should we do with these? Unfortunately I didn't find a policy
reference that forbids this ...


Andreas


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* Andreas Beckmann <debian@abeckmann.de>, 2012-09-21, 14:30:

mirror_2.9-62
/usr/share/doc/mirror/mirror.txt.gz
/usr/share/doc/mirror/html/mirror-ref.html
/usr/share/mirror/mirror.pl
/usr/share/mirror/dateconv.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lchat.pl
/usr/share/mirror/lsparse.pl
/usr/share/mirror/ftp.pl
/usr/bin/do_unlinks
/usr/bin/mirror-master
/usr/bin/pkgs_to_mmin


The mirror package applies some patches during postinst to conform with
the license.


Really? I didn't read the license, but either it's not neccessary, or
it's a DFSG§4 violation: “The license must explicitly permit
distribution of software built from modified source code.�


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Jakub Wilk <jwilk@debian.org> writes:

> Really? I didn't read the license, but either it's not neccessary, or
> it's a DFSG§4 violation: “The license must explicitly permit
> distribution of software built from modified source code.�

I'm not sure why mirror is still doing this, given the correspondence
recorded in the mirror copyright file which says that patching in the
Debian *.diff.gz file is perfectly fine.

The license is not particularly well-written, but given the clarifying
correspondence, the intent appears to be to allow distributing of the
pristine source plus patch files.

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I demand that Andreas Beckmann may or may not have written...

[snip]
> xine-ui_0.99.7-1
> /var/lib/xine/xine.desktop

> These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
> postinst.

That and gxine.desktop (at least) are updated then because the list of
supported MIME types may vary depending on which xine-lib packages are
installed.

> What should we do with these? Unfortunately I didn't find a policy
> reference that forbids this ...

If you have better ideas concerning these, I'm listening...

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On 23.09.2012 19:21, Darren Salt wrote:
> I demand that Andreas Beckmann may or may not have written...
>
> [snip]
>> xine-ui_0.99.7-1
>> /var/lib/xine/xine.desktop
>
>> These seem to be some state/registry/... files that are updated during
>> postinst.
>
> That and gxine.desktop (at least) are updated then because the list of
> supported MIME types may vary depending on which xine-lib packages are
> installed.
>
>> What should we do with these? Unfortunately I didn't find a policy
>> reference that forbids this ...
>
> If you have better ideas concerning these, I'm listening...

you could let the xine-lib packages install corresponding desktop files
for the mime-types they support.

okular (document viewer) has a similar problem. Depending on which
features you enable during configure the list of supported mime types
varies.
The way okular solves this is to install separate desktop files [1]. If
you enable support for format x, it installs a corresponding desktop file.

A similar approach should work for xine-lib.

HTH,
Michael

[1] # ls /usr/share/applicatins/kde4/okularApplication_*
okularApplication_comicbook.desktop okularApplication_ghostview.desktop
okularApplication_plucker.desktop
okularApplication_dvi.desktop okularApplication_kimgio.desktop
okularApplication_xps.desktop
okularApplication_fax.desktop okularApplication_ooo.desktop
okularApplication_fb.desktop okularApplication_pdf.desktop

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> I think it would be worth asking the release team about this. Fixing
> them all might well take a while. These bugs were all presumably in
> squeeze and if there are many of them delaying wheezy doesn't make
> sense.

Moreover as I understand it the version of piuparts that runs these
tests is not yet in sid. Surely it is unreasonable to expect people to
fix these bugs - in the middle of a freeze no less - without this tool.


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Nicholas Bamber wrote:

> Moreover as I understand it the version of piuparts that runs these
> tests is not yet in sid. Surely it is unreasonable to expect people to
> fix these bugs - in the middle of a freeze no less - without this tool.

Doesn't debsums catch it?


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