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08-10-2012 08:04 AM

Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism
 
Dear Guys,

Thanks a lot for the input from Marco d'Itri, Holger Levsen and Thomas
Goirand, as well as Aron Xu off list.

md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) writes:

> openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.

I think you are referring to this thread

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg00547.html

> We do not need to be able to choose among multiple init
> implementations.

Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> writes:

> while we (thankfully) have 42++ window managers in Debian, we only
> have 5 (or so) init systems and certainly more alternatives will be
> welcomed by many people, thriving to develop the best OS... whatever
> that means ;-)

The topic of if OpenRC suits Debian is still controvasial. That's
understandable. Besides, even in Gentoo community, there is voice
doubting if OpenRC suits Gentoo.

Debian is about the freedom to choose.

I am aware of systemd, upstart, and our good plain sysv-rc as well as
file-rc. People in the last thread already debated about which is the
best for Debian. Personally I like the unix way[1] of OpenRC to do
things, and I want to let people understand my opinion by inviting
Debian users to use, evaluate and criticize it.

Cool jobs are done in Redhat community/enterprise, in Ubuntu
community/enterprise. Thanks to them we have many choices to suit our
needs. OpenRC from Gentoo community would like also serve as your
choice, with a different styple: just do one thing and do it right, not
about revolution to blow your mind.

Thanks Marco d'Itri, I have carefully reflected whether introducing
OpenRC to Debian really worth my time and effort. And I decided to do
so.

Let's have fun guys ;)

Yours,
Benda

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_philosophy

Josselin Mouette 08-10-2012 11:11 AM

Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism
 
Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, heroxbd@gentoo.org a écrit :
> Debian is about the freedom to choose.

No, it is not.

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Andrew Shadura 08-10-2012 12:21 PM

Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism
 
Hello,

On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:11:12 +0200
Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> wrote:

> Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, heroxbd@gentoo.org a écrit :
> > Debian is about the freedom to choose.

> No, it is not.

No, it is.

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Ben Hutchings 08-10-2012 01:30 PM

Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism
 
On Fri, 2012-08-10 at 17:04 +0900, heroxbd@gentoo.org wrote:
> Dear Guys,
>
> Thanks a lot for the input from Marco d'Itri, Holger Levsen and Thomas
> Goirand, as well as Aron Xu off list.
>
> md@Linux.IT (Marco d'Itri) writes:
>
> > openrc was recently discussed on debian-devel@ and there was a large
> > consensus that it is not a credible alternative to upstart and systemd.
>
> I think you are referring to this thread
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/04/msg00547.html
>
> > We do not need to be able to choose among multiple init
> > implementations.
>
> Holger Levsen <holger@layer-acht.org> writes:
>
> > while we (thankfully) have 42++ window managers in Debian, we only
> > have 5 (or so) init systems and certainly more alternatives will be
> > welcomed by many people, thriving to develop the best OS... whatever
> > that means ;-)
>
> The topic of if OpenRC suits Debian is still controvasial. That's
> understandable. Besides, even in Gentoo community, there is voice
> doubting if OpenRC suits Gentoo.
>
> Debian is about the freedom to choose.
[...]

Debian is supposed to be an integrated system. We, the developers,
choose what can reasonably be integrated.

Users always have the freedom to run other software that we don't
package, or to use (or develop) derivatives that replace some core
components.

Ben.

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Unix is many things to many people,
but it's never been everything to anybody.

Steve Langasek 08-10-2012 04:09 PM

Bug#684396: ITP: openrc -- alternative boot mechanism
 
On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 02:21:08PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Aug 2012 13:11:12 +0200
> Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> wrote:

> > Le vendredi 10 août 2012 à 17:04 +0900, heroxbd@gentoo.org a écrit :
> > > Debian is about the freedom to choose.

> > No, it is not.

> No, it is.

No, it really isn't. It's about creating a technically excellent operating
system that meets our users needs.

Developers need the freedom to *make* autonomous technical choices as part
of the process of making Debian technically excellent; and in some cases the
answer for meeting our users needs is "both". But this latter argument does
not apply to core infrastructure decisions, and arguing that Debian is
*about* the freedom to choose is missing the point.

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