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Old 07-13-2012, 04:32 PM
Steve McIntyre
 
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Kurt wrote:
>On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 06:13:43PM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> can we somehome make $subject a target for the *next* release?
>> It is ridiculous that it is in fact completely arbitrary what
>> program is used to open files. Currently in my gnome-shell
>> pdfs are opened with a file-manager, as well as .txt files, as
>> well as anything.
>
>pdfs are opened with gimp for me.

I'm seeing that too, and it's ludicrous.

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Old 07-13-2012, 04:59 PM
Josselin Mouette
 
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Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 16:26 +0200, Andreas Tille a crit :
> On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:13:15PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >
> > see is obsolete.
>
> Says who?

As your mailer made pretty clear, I am the author of the above sentence.

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Old 07-13-2012, 05:01 PM
Josselin Mouette
 
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Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 * 17:32 +0100, Steve McIntyre a écrit :
> Kurt wrote:
> >pdfs are opened with gimp for me.
>
> I'm seeing that too, and it's ludicrous.

See <1342174395.18031.15.camel@pi0307572> for the explanation.

(Also, gimp shouldn’t be a PDF handler, but that’s another issue.)

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Old 07-13-2012, 05:08 PM
Mika Suomalainen
 
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On 13.07.2012 18:41, Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> pdfs are opened with gimp for me.

They are opened in gimp for me too and it doesn't understand them how
it should. I would prefer them to be opened in Evince.

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Old 07-13-2012, 06:26 PM
Vincent Bernat
 
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❦ 13 juillet 2012 12:18 CEST, Per Olofsson <pelle@dsv.su.se>*:

> 1. Rewrite xdg-utils so that it is robust and always works. Instead of
> relying on desktop environments, it should do the needed work by
> itself. Currently it's something of a hack, especially when running in
> "generic" mode. It should probably be written in another language than
> shell (e.g. Perl, Python, C). A nicer user interface for the command
> line wouldn't hurt either.
>
> 2. Make all other packages either use xdg-utils or follow the
> freedesktop.org MIME specs.

Yes, I also think this is a good plan.

Relying on existing desktop tools is too difficult. They get deprecated
(for example, gnome-open has been replaced by gvfs-open) or they cannot
be adapted easily because maintainers usually don't care about those
corner use cases. For example, gvfs-open does not wait for the viewer to
terminate, this makes difficult for mailers to pass a temporary
file. See:
- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677430
- https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652262
- https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678504

Once you get a working xdg-open, you can get a compatibility layer for
the mailcap stuff:
*/*; xdg-open '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"

Or something more sensible like:
image/gif; xdg-open -t image/gif '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
image/png; xdg-open -t image/png '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"
[...]

The remaining problem is defining the priority of such entries compared
to entries inserted by packages still supporting mailcap.
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Old 07-13-2012, 08:12 PM
Brian White
 
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That seems a reasonable plan to me. *I've orphaned the mime-support package, however, because I have no time to work on it right now and do not expect to have any for the*foreseeable*future.
-- Brian



On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Vincent Bernat <bernat@debian.org> wrote:


*❦ 13 juillet 2012 12:18 CEST, Per Olofsson <pelle@dsv.su.se>*:



> 1. Rewrite xdg-utils so that it is robust and always works. Instead of

> relying on desktop environments, it should do the needed work by

> itself. Currently it's something of a hack, especially when running in

> "generic" mode. It should probably be written in another language than

> shell (e.g. Perl, Python, C). A nicer user interface for the command

> line wouldn't hurt either.

>

> 2. Make all other packages either use xdg-utils or follow the

> freedesktop.org MIME specs.



Yes, I also think this is a good plan.



Relying on existing desktop tools is too difficult. They get deprecated

(for example, gnome-open has been replaced by gvfs-open) or they cannot

be adapted easily because maintainers usually don't care about those

corner use cases. For example, gvfs-open does not wait for the viewer to

terminate, this makes difficult for mailers to pass a temporary

file. See:

*- http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=677430

*- https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652262

*- https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=678504



Once you get a working xdg-open, you can get a compatibility layer for

the mailcap stuff:

* */*; xdg-open '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"



Or something more sensible like:

* image/gif; xdg-open -t image/gif '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"

* image/png; xdg-open -t image/png '%s'; test=test -n "$DISPLAY"

* [...]



The remaining problem is defining the priority of such entries compared

to entries inserted by packages still supporting mailcap.

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Old 07-13-2012, 11:43 PM
Charles Plessy
 
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Le Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:12:34PM +0200, Brian White a crit :
> That seems a reasonable plan to me. I've orphaned the mime-support
> package, however, because I have no time to work on it right now and do not
> expect to have any for the foreseeable future.

Dear Brian,

I could not find the WNPP bug orphaning mime-support. Can you or somebody else
submit one ?

I hope that this change of maintainer will result in the transfer the source
package in a VCS and have it maintained by a team.

Have a nice day,

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Old 07-14-2012, 06:34 PM
Andreas Tille
 
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 06:59:41PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 16:26 +0200, Andreas Tille a crit :
> > On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 12:13:15PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > >
> > > see is obsolete.
> >
> > Says who?
>
> As your mailer made pretty clear, I am the author of the above sentence.

And you are speaking on behalf of whom? If it is simply your private
opinion it is not worth as much as if Debian Release team would have
said something which is in conflict with Debian Policy (9.7 Multimedia
handlers; see is part of mime-support package). A statement from
release team would be an interesting move but if it is only your
individual opinion that's not worth much. While there is some evidence
that the Gnome team is ignorant about this part of the policy (see for
instance #658139 and the according discussion here on debian-devel list)
I do not think that it makes sense to discuss policy issues while freeze
time and you should simply accept our rules even if your private opinion
might be divergent.

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Old 07-14-2012, 06:40 PM
Andreas Tille
 
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On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 07:01:05PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 13 juillet 2012 17:32 +0100, Steve McIntyre a crit :
> > Kurt wrote:
> > >pdfs are opened with gimp for me.
> >
> > I'm seeing that too, and it's ludicrous.
>
> See <1342174395.18031.15.camel@pi0307572> for the explanation.

Or see #658139 - and I wonder if this bug should be made RC because
kittens will die if we would release without having fixed this.

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Old 07-14-2012, 08:16 PM
Brian White
 
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I ran whatever command it is and chose whatever option (orphan/wnpp/etc) was appropriate.
The computer on which I did Debian work is sitting in a container in Berne awaiting shipment to Montreal so it'll be many weeks before I can access it again.


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On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 1:43 AM, Charles Plessy <plessy@debian.org> wrote:


Le Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:12:34PM +0200, Brian White a crit :

> That seems a reasonable plan to me. *I've orphaned the mime-support

> package, however, because I have no time to work on it right now and do not

> expect to have any for the foreseeable future.



Dear Brian,



I could not find the WNPP bug orphaning mime-support. *Can you or somebody else

submit one ?



I hope that this change of maintainer will result in the transfer the source

package in a VCS and have it maintained by a team.



Have a nice day,



--

Charles Plessy

Tsurumi, Kanagawa, Japan
 

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