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Old 06-19-2012, 10:26 PM
Bernd Zeimetz
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

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For those who do not read Planet Debian, here is the report from the Debian
BSP in Salzburg (markdown/ikiwiki source, sorry for not re-formatting it )


Participation and Results
- ---------------------------
- From June 15-17th we held a Debian BugSquashingParty in Salzburg, hosted and
sponsored by [conova communications GmbH](http://www.conova.com/). It was a
fun and busy weekend, with 15-17 people from 5 coutries being around, mainly
working on RC bugs in Testing/Unstable. Gerfried Fuchs (rhonda) also worked on
triaging the impact of RC bugs on the version in Squeeze, while Peter
Palfrader (weasel) took care of Tor related things and Debian sysadmin work,
including starting on the new bugs and udd hosts. Phillip Hug (hug) worked on
the debian.ch infrastructure.
Together with Miroslav Suchý from Red Hat Bernd Zeimetz (bzed) worked on the
packaging of the necessary libraries and daemons to add (basic) Spacewalk
client support to Debian. As soon as the packages passed NEW and
[#677871](http://bugs.debian.org/677871) was applied (thanks to the APT guys
for working on that already), managing Debian clients with Spacewalk should
work out of the box.
Of course we also had a little keysigning party

Statistics
- -----------
- - about 68 bugs in unstable/testing were triaged/patched/fixed or at least pinged
- - 54 bugs were tagged to show if they affect Squeeze, several other bugs were
pinged to retrieve necessary information or to trigger an update in the next
stable pointrelease.
- - 5 packages were introduced into Debian (still in NEW, though) - the
Spacewalk client related packages and libapache2-mod-auth-memcookie.

Accomodation
- -------------
Thanks to Debian funds we were able to provide accomodation for four
participants in the JUFA youth hostel in Salzburg.
We had paid in advance for eight, but changing to rooms with a higher category
for only 4 people would have been equally or more expensive.


Press/Media coverage
- ---------------_-----
Additionally to being mentioned in the calendars on ProLinux and similar
pages, we had some press coverage by the local newspaper and online magazines:

- - [Scan of Salzburger Woche / Stadt
Nachrichten](http://www.conova.com/fileadmin/user_upload/dl.php?file=files/Presse_Debian_Bug_Squashing_Party_Stadt_Nachrichte n.pdf)
- - [article on the Salzburger Nachrichten
website](http://search.salzburg.com/news/artikel.html?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.salzburg.com% 2Fnews%2Fresource%2Fsn%2Fnews%2Fst152700_15.06.201 2_41-40204916)
- -
[meinbezirk.at](http://regionaut.meinbezirk.at/salzburg-stadt/leute/debian-bug-squashing-party-erstmals-in-salzburg-d194324.html/action/lesen/1/recommend/1/)
- - [Salzburg Cityguide -
Photogallery](http://www.salzburg-cityguide.at/de/partyzone/detail/debian-bug-squashing-party---conova_102492)


Fun facts
- -------------
We consumed 2kg of Leberkas, a big plate of "Buchteln mit Vanillesosse", about
16000cm^2 of Pizza, about 80 litres of coke, juice, beer and whine and I guess
we drank at least the same amount of water. We had coffee made of 1.5kg coffee
beans and managed to empty the (formerly well filled) icemaker in the fridge.
Also we had successful training sessions of a standard Debconf game (rules
won't be explained here obviously). Maybe we even successfully spread the game
to the employees of a commercial linux distribution



- --
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http://bzed.de http://www.debian.org
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Old 06-20-2012, 12:34 PM
Philip Ashmore
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On 19/06/12 23:26, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:

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For those who do not read Planet Debian, here is the report from the Debian
BSP in Salzburg (markdown/ikiwiki source, sorry for not re-formatting it )


Participation and Results
- ---------------------------
- From June 15-17th we held a Debian BugSquashingParty in Salzburg, hosted and
sponsored by [conova communications GmbH](http://www.conova.com/). It was a
fun and busy weekend, with 15-17 people from 5 coutries being around, mainly
working on RC bugs in Testing/Unstable. Gerfried Fuchs (rhonda) also worked on
triaging the impact of RC bugs on the version in Squeeze, while Peter
Palfrader (weasel) took care of Tor related things and Debian sysadmin work,
including starting on the new bugs and udd hosts. Phillip Hug (hug) worked on
the debian.ch infrastructure.
Together with Miroslav Suchý from Red Hat Bernd Zeimetz (bzed) worked on the
packaging of the necessary libraries and daemons to add (basic) Spacewalk
client support to Debian. As soon as the packages passed NEW and
[#677871](http://bugs.debian.org/677871) was applied (thanks to the APT guys
for working on that already), managing Debian clients with Spacewalk should
work out of the box.
Of course we also had a little keysigning party

Statistics
- -----------
- - about 68 bugs in unstable/testing were triaged/patched/fixed or at least pinged
- - 54 bugs were tagged to show if they affect Squeeze, several other bugs were
pinged to retrieve necessary information or to trigger an update in the next
stable pointrelease.
- - 5 packages were introduced into Debian (still in NEW, though) - the
Spacewalk client related packages and libapache2-mod-auth-memcookie.

Accomodation
- -------------
Thanks to Debian funds we were able to provide accomodation for four
participants in the JUFA youth hostel in Salzburg.
We had paid in advance for eight, but changing to rooms with a higher category
for only 4 people would have been equally or more expensive.


Press/Media coverage
- ---------------_-----
Additionally to being mentioned in the calendars on ProLinux and similar
pages, we had some press coverage by the local newspaper and online magazines:

- - [Scan of Salzburger Woche / Stadt
Nachrichten](http://www.conova.com/fileadmin/user_upload/dl.php?file=files/Presse_Debian_Bug_Squashing_Party_Stadt_Nachrichte n.pdf)
- - [article on the Salzburger Nachrichten
website](http://search.salzburg.com/news/artikel.html?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.salzburg.com% 2Fnews%2Fresource%2Fsn%2Fnews%2Fst152700_15.06.201 2_41-40204916)
- -
[meinbezirk.at](http://regionaut.meinbezirk.at/salzburg-stadt/leute/debian-bug-squashing-party-erstmals-in-salzburg-d194324.html/action/lesen/1/recommend/1/)
- - [Salzburg Cityguide -
Photogallery](http://www.salzburg-cityguide.at/de/partyzone/detail/debian-bug-squashing-party---conova_102492)


Fun facts
- -------------
We consumed 2kg of Leberkas, a big plate of "Buchteln mit Vanillesosse", about
16000cm^2 of Pizza, about 80 litres of coke, juice, beer and whine and I guess
we drank at least the same amount of water. We had coffee made of 1.5kg coffee
beans and managed to empty the (formerly well filled) icemaker in the fridge.
Also we had successful training sessions of a standard Debconf game (rules
won't be explained here obviously). Maybe we even successfully spread the game
to the employees of a commercial linux distribution



- --
Bernd Zeimetz Debian GNU/Linux Developer

http://bzed.de http://www.debian.org
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Sounds like it was a lot of fun!

Has anyone thought about starting a hangout at Google+?

It would be a lot more convenient (especially for newbies)
than Internet Relay Chat (IRC), something I never took to.

Regards,
Philip Ashmore


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Old 06-20-2012, 02:48 PM
The Fungi
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On 2012-06-20 13:34:22 +0100 (+0100), Philip Ashmore wrote:
[...]
> Has anyone thought about starting a hangout at Google+?
[...]

Sounds intruiging. Is there a Debian package in main so I can run a
Google+ server easily? Setting up my own IRC servers is already
pretty trivial, but if all the cool kids are installing Google+
servers these days...
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:50 PM
Philip Ashmore
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On 20/06/12 15:48, The Fungi wrote:

On 2012-06-20 13:34:22 +0100 (+0100), Philip Ashmore wrote:
[...]

Has anyone thought about starting a hangout at Google+?

[...]

Sounds intruiging. Is there a Debian package in main so I can run a
Google+ server easily? Setting up my own IRC servers is already
pretty trivial, but if all the cool kids are installing Google+
servers these days...
No, I meant using Googles Google+ as an alternative to setting a
location, arranging accommodation, setting aside X number of days for
the trip, getting to and from there...


Some bugs triaging may require participants to reboot their PC (not
everyone has laptops) so a bug squashing hangout would allow members to
come and go.


The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
never occurred to me.


Regards,
Philip Ashmore


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Old 06-21-2012, 02:53 AM
Paul Wise
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:

> The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
> never occurred to me.

I think you might have missed the point. Google+ is a proprietary SaaS
used for selling your eyeballs to advertisers. It is unlikely that
Google will ever let it be installed on other servers, let alone
release the source code under a free license. Debian should avoid
using such SaaS offerings and promote the free alternatives that exist
and the movements that support them, some links:

http://autonomo.us/
http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox
http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html

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Old 06-21-2012, 12:03 PM
The Fungi
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On 2012-06-21 10:53:19 +0800 (+0800), Paul Wise wrote:
> I think you might have missed the point.
[...]

Partly my fault--I should know better than to employ rhetorical
subtlety on technical mailing lists with an international audience.
Wordplay does not translate well, if at all, and is often lost on
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Old 06-21-2012, 12:10 PM
Bernd Zeimetz
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On 06/21/2012 04:53 AM, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:
>
>> The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
>> never occurred to me.
>
> I think you might have missed the point. Google+ is a proprietary SaaS
> used for selling your eyeballs to advertisers. It is unlikely that
> Google will ever let it be installed on other servers, let alone
> release the source code under a free license. Debian should avoid
> using such SaaS offerings and promote the free alternatives that exist
> and the movements that support them, some links:
>
> http://autonomo.us/
> http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox
> http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html

Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see a reason
why we should not use it. It is much more pain free to use than any
other solution we have in Debian.

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Old 06-21-2012, 12:55 PM
Russell Coker
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> wrote:
> Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
> on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see a reason
> why we should not use it. It is much more pain free to use than any
> other solution we have in Debian.

One might make such claims about any proprietary product.

What features does Google+ offer that you believe to be lacking in free
software packaged for Debian? What do you think is the easiest way to fix
this problem?

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Old 06-21-2012, 12:57 PM
Philip Ashmore
 
Default Report from the Bug Squashing Party in Salzburg

On 21/06/12 13:10, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:

On 06/21/2012 04:53 AM, Paul Wise wrote:

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Philip Ashmore wrote:


The thought of setting up personal (or even Debian-wide) Google+ servers
never occurred to me.


I think you might have missed the point. Google+ is a proprietary SaaS
used for selling your eyeballs to advertisers. It is unlikely that
Google will ever let it be installed on other servers, let alone
release the source code under a free license. Debian should avoid
using such SaaS offerings and promote the free alternatives that exist
and the movements that support them, some links:

http://autonomo.us/
http://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox
http://mako.cc/writing/hill-free_tools.html


Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see a reason
why we should not use it. It is much more pain free to use than any
other solution we have in Debian.


Two points, two cents each:
1. I see plenty of @gmail.com email addresses belonging to people in
Debian mailing lists. I guess they have that ad problem.
2. The "perfect storm" of people at such geographically distant
locations that a meetup anywhere isn't an option. Some will spend a lot
more on travel than others.


Philip


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Old 06-21-2012, 01:04 PM
Jon Dowland
 
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On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 10:55:28PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Bernd Zeimetz <bernd@bzed.de> wrote:
> > Seriously, thats all fine stuff, but if having a hangout with 10+ people
> > on google+ helps Debian to get the bugs squashed, I can't see a reason
> > why we should not use it. It is much more pain free to use than any
> > other solution we have in Debian.
>
> One might make such claims about any proprietary product.
>
> What features does Google+ offer that you believe to be lacking in free
> software packaged for Debian? What do you think is the easiest way to fix
> this problem?

This is getting completely ridiculous.

Indeed, one can setup and run their own IRC server, because it is free
software.

Nevertheless, in practice if you want to work on Debian, you connect to an
already-running ircd on the oftc network. (You could spend time setting up
and running an ircd, then convince people to connect to it, but perhaps
that's time better spent *working on Debian*).

Not everyone has the freedom to login, reconfigure, recompile or otherwise
monkey with the running OFTC servers, despite them being powered by free
software.

Likewise, those who find IRC hostile, confusing or simply unproductive,
could connect to the already running Google+ what-have-you, using an open
source browser if one so wishes. If it works for them.


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