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Old 11-10-2011, 08:42 AM
Dmitry Smirnov
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

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* Package name : r8168-dkms
Version : 8.026.00
Upstream Author : Realtek Semiconductor Corp.
* URL :
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1&PNid=13&PFid=5&Level=5 &Conn=4&DownTypeID=3&GetDown=false
* License : GPL-2+ (contains binary blobs)
Programming Lang: C
Description : Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)
r8168 is the Linux device driver released for RealTek RTL8168B/8111B,
RTL8168C/8111C, RTL8168CP/8111CP, RTL8168D/8111D, RTL8168DP/8111DP, and
RTL8168E/8111E Gigabit Ethernet controllers with PCI-Express interface.
.
This is to substitute built-in r8169 driver if it doesn't work well.



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Old 11-10-2011, 10:34 AM
Cyril Brulebois
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

Hi.

Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@member.fsf.org> (10/11/2011):
> r8168 is the Linux device driver released for RealTek RTL8168B/8111B,
> RTL8168C/8111C, RTL8168CP/8111CP, RTL8168D/8111D, RTL8168DP/8111DP, and
> RTL8168E/8111E Gigabit Ethernet controllers with PCI-Express interface.
> .
> This is to substitute built-in r8169 driver if it doesn't work well.

What happened to “upstream first”, and “fix stuff if doesn't work well”?

Mraw,
KiBi.
 
Old 11-10-2011, 10:50 AM
Dmitry Smirnov
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

Sorry, I don't understand...

This is merely an alternative driver from hardware vendor.
Sometimes you might need alternatives if your hardware doesn't work well,
or if you just suspect it do not work well but you need something to
compare with.

"Fixing stuff" is always good if you can do it.

Dmitry.

On 10 November 2011 22:34, Cyril Brulebois <kibi@debian.org> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Dmitry Smirnov <onlyjob@member.fsf.org> (10/11/2011):
>> *r8168 is the Linux device driver released for RealTek RTL8168B/8111B,
>> *RTL8168C/8111C, RTL8168CP/8111CP, RTL8168D/8111D, RTL8168DP/8111DP, and
>> *RTL8168E/8111E Gigabit Ethernet controllers with PCI-Express interface.
>> *.
>> *This is to substitute built-in r8169 driver if it doesn't work well.
>
> What happened to “upstream first”, and “fix stuff if doesn't work well”?
>
> Mraw,
> KiBi.
>


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Old 11-10-2011, 11:24 AM
Kai Wasserbch
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

Dear Dimitry,
Dmitry Smirnov schrieb am 10.11.2011 12:50:
> Sorry, I don't understand...
>
> This is merely an alternative driver from hardware vendor.
> Sometimes you might need alternatives if your hardware doesn't work well,
> or if you just suspect it do not work well but you need something to
> compare with.
>
> "Fixing stuff" is always good if you can do it.

well, then what is different and why can't that be upstreamed? And is there a
known case, where the driver provided by Debian doesn't work (if so, is there a
bug filed)?

Don't get me wrong: I love alternatives, but I don't see their value when it
comes to device drivers.

Kind regards,
Kai Wasserbch



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Old 11-10-2011, 11:54 AM
onlyjob
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

Dear Kai,

> well, then what is different and why can't that be upstreamed? And is there a
> known case, where the driver provided by Debian doesn't work (if so, is there a
> bug filed)?

Perhaps you are right, given the time and the skills and the hardware
and the person skilled and motivated enough it can be upstreamed.
Ideally it should be.
I'm afraid I don't fit for such job: I can't meet you high
expectations since I might not have enough time, skills, right
hardware, etc.
Let's see what Patrick Matthi is going to tell since he is apparently
have a problematic hardware in his possession.

> Don't get me wrong: I love alternatives, but I don't see their value when it
> comes to device drivers.

That's probably because you can afford it due to lack of problematic
hardware on your hands.
For those who are not as lucky as you and me it might be more difficult.
At least we already have one person who might need solution right now.

Apparently we have a philosophical problem here: given the fact that
nether you nor me can benefit from having the alternative driver it
will be over-generalization for us to say that nobody can and
therefore don't give them a chance. We're not talking about mandatory
driver so alternative might be good for someone.

Of course it would be perfect to have one 100% working driver in
kernel so all those troubles won't be necessary at all.
I believe it will be like this, eventually.

Regards,
Dmitry.


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Old 11-10-2011, 12:13 PM
"brian m. carlson"
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 11:54:01PM +1100, onlyjob wrote:
> Perhaps you are right, given the time and the skills and the hardware
> and the person skilled and motivated enough it can be upstreamed.
> Ideally it should be.

IIRC, upstream doesn't want r8168 because supposedly it covers only
hardware that is also supported by r8169. They feel that if r8169 is
buggy that it should be fixed. Obviously, that isn't helpful at the
present moment if the current driver doesn't work for you.

Unfortunately, I can't find a reference at the moment, but I do remember
reading about it recently.

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Old 11-10-2011, 12:14 PM
Patrick Matthi
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

Am 10.11.2011 13:54, schrieb onlyjob:

Dear Kai,


well, then what is different and why can't that be upstreamed? And is there a
known case, where the driver provided by Debian doesn't work (if so, is there a
bug filed)?


Perhaps you are right, given the time and the skills and the hardware
and the person skilled and motivated enough it can be upstreamed.
Ideally it should be.
I'm afraid I don't fit for such job: I can't meet you high
expectations since I might not have enough time, skills, right
hardware, etc.
Let's see what Patrick Matthi is going to tell since he is apparently
have a problematic hardware in his possession.


r8169 "works", but I get approx every 5 minutes timeouts of one minute
(where the whole NIC does not work) or I have got a package loss around
50% and it is quite slow.
This is an older known problem in Debian, just search for "r8168 r8169
debian" on google.





Don't get me wrong: I love alternatives, but I don't see their value when it
comes to device drivers.


That's probably because you can afford it due to lack of problematic
hardware on your hands.
For those who are not as lucky as you and me it might be more difficult.
At least we already have one person who might need solution right now.



I just get that new NIC with my new mainboard, a Gigabyte
GA-990XA-UD3-AM3. Since I just have got this hardware since 1-2 weeks, I
didn't searched for other solutions, but r8168 works.

btw: Linux 3.0 and 3.1 didn't worked.



Apparently we have a philosophical problem here: given the fact that
nether you nor me can benefit from having the alternative driver it
will be over-generalization for us to say that nobody can and
therefore don't give them a chance. We're not talking about mandatory
driver so alternative might be good for someone.

Of course it would be perfect to have one 100% working driver in
kernel so all those troubles won't be necessary at all.
I believe it will be like this, eventually.


There was a "fix" for this problem in stable linux-2.6:

2.6.32-36:
* r8169: Backport changes up to Linux 3.0.2 (Closes: #627704)
- Fix support for RTL8102E and RTL8168DP
- Add support for RTL8105E, RTL8168E and another variant of RTL8168DP
- Add support for D-Link DGE-530T rev C1


But yeah as I told, 3.0 and 3.1 have got the same problems with my NIC.

Cheers.


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Old 11-10-2011, 01:18 PM
Ben Hutchings
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 14:14 +0100, Patrick Matthi wrote:
> Am 10.11.2011 13:54, schrieb onlyjob:
[...]
> >> Don't get me wrong: I love alternatives, but I don't see their value when it
> >> comes to device drivers.
> >
> > That's probably because you can afford it due to lack of problematic
> > hardware on your hands.
> > For those who are not as lucky as you and me it might be more difficult.
> > At least we already have one person who might need solution right now.
>
>
> I just get that new NIC with my new mainboard, a Gigabyte
> GA-990XA-UD3-AM3. Since I just have got this hardware since 1-2 weeks, I
> didn't searched for other solutions, but r8168 works.
> btw: Linux 3.0 and 3.1 didn't worked.
[...]

Anyone who has problems with r8169 in 3.0 or 3.1 should report this:

To: Realtek linux nic maintainers <nic_swsd@realtek.com>
To: Francois Romieu <romieu@fr.zoreil.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org

They may also wish to open a Debian bug report and cc that.

Ben.

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Old 11-10-2011, 01:21 PM
Patrick Matthi
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

Am 10.11.2011 15:18, schrieb Ben Hutchings:

On Thu, 2011-11-10 at 14:14 +0100, Patrick Matthi wrote:

Am 10.11.2011 13:54, schrieb onlyjob:

[...]

Don't get me wrong: I love alternatives, but I don't see their value when it
comes to device drivers.


That's probably because you can afford it due to lack of problematic
hardware on your hands.
For those who are not as lucky as you and me it might be more difficult.
At least we already have one person who might need solution right now.



I just get that new NIC with my new mainboard, a Gigabyte
GA-990XA-UD3-AM3. Since I just have got this hardware since 1-2 weeks, I
didn't searched for other solutions, but r8168 works.
btw: Linux 3.0 and 3.1 didn't worked.

[...]

Anyone who has problems with r8169 in 3.0 or 3.1 should report this:

To: Realtek linux nic maintainers<nic_swsd@realtek.com>
To: Francois Romieu<romieu@fr.zoreil.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org

They may also wish to open a Debian bug report and cc that.


That is right, also that it should be fixed upstream, which isn't the
case since years (according to google results). So I don't see a problem
to include the r8168-dkms package, until r8169 realy works.



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Old 11-10-2011, 06:17 PM
Julien Valroff
 
Default Bug#648286: ITP: r8168 -- Realtek r8168 device driver for Linux (DKMS version)

Hi,

Le jeudi 10 nov. 2011 15:21:29 (+0100 CET), Patrick Matthi a crit*:
> Am 10.11.2011 15:18, schrieb Ben Hutchings:
[...]
> >Anyone who has problems with r8169 in 3.0 or 3.1 should report this:
> >
> >To: Realtek linux nic maintainers<nic_swsd@realtek.com>
> >To: Francois Romieu<romieu@fr.zoreil.com>
> >Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org
> >
> >They may also wish to open a Debian bug report and cc that.
>
> That is right, also that it should be fixed upstream, which isn't
> the case since years (according to google results). So I don't see a
> problem to include the r8168-dkms package, until r8169 realy works.

I would second that as I have another problem with r8169 which doesn't
support support resuming from suspend/hibernate. I've been using r8168 for a
couple of weeks without any issue.

I have even built a package for my own use [0] in case this can help.

I will report a bug against r8169 as advised by Ben as soon as I find the
time to clearly describe the issue.

Cheers,
Julien

[0] http://git.kirya.net/?p=debian/r8168.git;a=summary

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