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Old 07-20-2011, 05:40 PM
Axel Beckert
 
Default Bug#634811: ITP: dillo -- fast and light web browser based on FLTK 1.3

Hi,

Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > On the other hand, Dillo's support for CSS and such is sketchy at best.
> > There's no javascript or anything of that kind as well.
> What about links2 -g?

JavaScript support in links2 has been killed by upstream in the 2.1 release:

Mon Apr 16 01:49:07 MET DST 2007 mikulas:

Javascript was removed. The reason is that it is very buggy, Martin
Pergel doesn't have time to develop it and code is so messy that no one
else can understand it.

If you use links for special purposes (embedded devices, etc.), you can
bring javascript back by copying javascript files from previous release,
removing "dnl javascript" lines from configure.in, adding *.c and *.h
files to Makefile.am and re-running automake and autoconf.

Javascript hooks from main code were not removed --- they just won't be
maintained.

Regards, Axel (who'll upload links2 2.3pre2 soon, too :-)
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:59 PM
Axel Beckert
 
Default Bug#634811: ITP: dillo -- fast and light web browser based on FLTK 1.3

Hi,

Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 06:26:02AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> > I remember asking for dillo to be removed due to the above, I'm glad
> > someone has had time to fix the issues. Is dillo v3.0 using GTK 3 or
> > GTK 2 with no deprecated code or just FLTK1.3? (I'm assuming dillo3 for
> > Debian would change the default build to not statically link FLTK.)

Just FLTK 1.3 from what I saw so far. (Looked at the FLTK 1.3 port
closer some months ago, but it wasn't ready at that time. Now it looks
much better, so I published the ITP. :-)

> > How does the (unreleased) version compare with Arora (my current
> > candidate for "small but usable web browser") and how soon is it
> > likely to be ready for release?
>
> Arora is just a yet another interface for webkit; it takes over an order of
> magnitude more disk space than dillo+fltk, and I guess it has memory usage
> in that region as well.

I can just agree with that.

In generally, I don't think Dillo or Links2 can replace a web browser
with a full-blown rendering engine like Gecko, WebKit, etc., if you
want CSS and JS to work. But for some special purposes or the quick
lookup in the web, they serve very well (especially with the focus on
"quick" -- I don't want to load my whole browser session just lookup
one thing on Wikipedia or so :-).

The only more or less low-footprint browser which IMHO comes close the
big rendering engines is Netsurf. It's unfortunately not in Squeeze
due to some issues with build-dependencies (the used parser generator
suddenly started to fail) and new upstream versions needed a fistful
of new libraries to be packaged, too. But the version now in Wheezy
and Sid should be fine again.

Neil: Ever looked at the keyboard-focussed browsers in Debian like
Conkeror, Luakit, Uzbl or Surf? They all have one of the bloaty
rendering engines (WRT dependencies and memory usage) but are usually
quicker and more responsive than their GUI pendants. (300 to 400 tabs
in Conkeror are no performance issue. Try that with
Firefox^WIceweasel. :-)

> Another thing is, Arora is dead upstream and no one stepped in to
> revive it.

Oops. That's a pity. From the classical GUI browsers with WebKit I
liked that one most. Would Rekonq be a suitable drop-in replacement
for Arora?

Regards, Axel
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:34 PM
Axel Beckert
 
Default Bug#634811: ITP: dillo -- fast and light web browser based on FLTK 1.3

Hi Andrey,

Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> > > > On the other hand, Dillo's support for CSS and such is sketchy at best.
> > > > There's no javascript or anything of that kind as well.
> > > What about links2 -g?
> > [...]
> I mean, "how is dillo compared to links2 -g if they both have similar
> restrictions and links2 -g is (well, was in 2007) IIRC quite light and
> fast".

Ah, ok.

Well, links -g still looks a lot like being a text-mode application
even if run with its X interface. Especially all dialog popups are
rendered the same way they are rendered in text mode, i.e. no dialog
window, just a text frame around the question. And I expect that quite
some people prefer a more common way to render stuff under X.

Before having a working Dillo (again) I though can't make comparisons
about memory usage and speed. And I don't remember the values from
Dillo 1. And I don't expect them to be exactly the same as back then
anyway. :-)

Regards, Axel
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:20 AM
Axel Beckert
 
Default Bug#634811: ITP: dillo -- fast and light web browser based on FLTK 1.3

Hi,

Adam Borowski wrote:
> Another thing is, Arora is dead upstream and no one stepped in to revive it.

shirish's mai to debian-devel
(<CADdDZR=FDAUtWQOsSh9pyuvmZ6DkseO_mYVSZ6V0qdAWcme 1kg@mail.gmail.com>)
reminded me that xxxterm seems to be a possible replacement for Arora
which ssems to be also quite lean for a WebKit based browser.

BTW: dillo 3 is now in the NEW queue.

Regards, Axel
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