On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 01:24:40PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
When it starts to be the case because kFreeBSD doesn’t have a modern
init system available, will you reconsider?
If I don’t want to support it, I will reconsider, if I will stay in
Debian, because Debian is *not* a Linux-only distribution. I can switch
to a Linux-only distribution like Ubuntu and support the „cool” things
available only in Linux.
Okay, I am not a DD, but as a long-time user I have to make the same
decisions. If I want „cool” Linux things, then I don’t use a distribution
which is proud to be a cross-platform distribution.
Shade and sweet water!
Stephan
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03-15-2012, 12:10 PM
A few observations about systemd
On Mar 15, Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> wrote:
> Okay, I am not a DD,
This pretty much explains why you are not qualified to partecipate to
this discussion.
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03-15-2012, 12:18 PM
Stephan Seitz
A few observations about systemd
On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 02:10:29PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Mar 15, Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> wrote:
Okay, I am not a DD,
This pretty much explains why you are not qualified to partecipate to
this discussion.
You do not seem to be interested in having users, do you? How far will
you come without them?
Shade and sweet water!
Stephan
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03-15-2012, 12:47 PM
Martin Wuertele
A few observations about systemd
* Marco d'Itri <md@Linux.IT> [2012-03-15 14:11]:
> On Mar 15, Stephan Seitz <stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> wrote:
>
> > Okay, I am not a DD,
> This pretty much explains why you are not qualified to partecipate to
> this discussion.
Let me quote section 4 first sentence of the social contract: "We will
be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community.".
You might argue that kFreeBSD does not qualify as "need", however I'm
unsure if a DD is the right persion to define what the needs of debian
users are and what not.
yours Martin
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03-15-2012, 12:50 PM
Bernd Zeimetz
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On 03/15/2012 01:24 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 15 mars 2012 * 12:48 +0100, Marc Haber a écrit :
>> I maintain multiple daemon packages in Debian and was never forced to
>> do double work.
>
> Good for you. But do not assume this is everyone’s case.
>
> When it starts to be the case because kFreeBSD doesn’t have a modern
> init system available, will you reconsider?
Yes. Reconsider to use Linux in case I'm forced to use stuff like systemd.
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03-15-2012, 01:12 PM
A few observations about systemd
On Mar 15, Martin Wuertele <maxx@debian.org> wrote:
> Let me quote section 4 first sentence of the social contract: "We will
> be guided by the needs of our users and the free software community.".
This is correct, and it is why we should work to solve the problems of
the platform which has over 1000 times more users and is actually used
by real users and businesses in the real world.
> You might argue that kFreeBSD does not qualify as "need", however I'm
Yes, I argue that kFreeBSD is the toy project of an handful of
developers. Because of this, I will tolerate it only as long as it does
not impedes development of the OS which actually has users.
I am sure that I can deploy upstart or systemd on my own system, but my
goal is to make such a technology available to our users.
> unsure if a DD is the right persion to define what the needs of debian
> users are and what not.
Users define what their needs are, and our data show that so far, with
very good approximation, nobody needs kFreeBSD.
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03-15-2012, 03:10 PM
Ben Hutchings
A few observations about systemd
On Thu, 2012-03-15 at 13:48 +0100, Stephan Seitz wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 01:24:40PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> >When it starts to be the case because kFreeBSD doesn’t have a modern
> >init system available, will you reconsider?
>
> If I don’t want to support it, I will reconsider, if I will stay in
> Debian, because Debian is *not* a Linux-only distribution.
[...]
A recent change that can still be corrected.
Ben.
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03-16-2012, 01:39 PM
Marc Haber
A few observations about systemd
On Thu, 15 Mar 2012 13:48:47 +0100, Stephan Seitz
<stse+debian@fsing.rootsland.net> wrote:
>If I want „cool” Linux things, then I don’t use a distribution
>which is proud to be a cross-platform distribution.
Amen.
Greetings
Marc
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