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Old 05-26-2011, 08:18 AM
"Bernhard R. Link"
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

If I have to guess what git.someorg.tld is, I'd guess one of
the following (in this order):

- a host offering git:// protocoll
- a host offering public access to git repositories over http://
- a host offering a web view of git repositories.

With the new alioth setup all those three are the same host as
far as I do understand it, to it is utterly unintuitive to have
none of those functions under the name git.debian.org but instead
the host storing the data and offering ssh access. [1]

With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth
and understanding that after such a big transition it can be
annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge
you to change that again.

Not changing it now most likely means Debian is stuck for a very
long time with this extremly confusing host naming.

On the plus side changing it now would also mean all the other DDs
would not need to change all the package control files and all the
documentation and links to the repositories, so if there is anything
I can do to make this switch easier for you let me know.

Please, please, please,

Bernhard R. Link

[1] It feels like www.debian.org being the host running wml,
while http would be redirected to some anonwww.debian.org
serving the pages.


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Old 05-27-2011, 09:27 AM
Tollef Fog Heen
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

]] "Bernhard R. Link"

| - a host offering git:// protocoll
| - a host offering public access to git repositories over http://
| - a host offering a web view of git repositories.
|
| With the new alioth setup all those three are the same host as
| far as I do understand it, to it is utterly unintuitive to have
| none of those functions under the name git.debian.org but instead
| the host storing the data and offering ssh access. [1]

git.d.o does offer git://. It also does redirect to the right host for
pulling via HTTP and viewing repositories when accessed via HTTP.

| With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth
| and understanding that after such a big transition it can be
| annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge
| you to change that again.

That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use
git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes.

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Old 05-27-2011, 10:49 AM
Agustin Martin
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:27:42AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] "Bernhard R. Link"
> | With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth
> | and understanding that after such a big transition it can be
> | annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge
> | you to change that again.
>
> That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use
> git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes.

Note thet gitweb currently offers git.d.o, e.g.,

git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/users/philipp/bayesian-toolbox

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Old 05-27-2011, 12:51 PM
"Bernhard R. Link"
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

* Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen@err.no> [110527 11:28]:
> | With the new alioth setup all those three are the same host as
> | far as I do understand it, to it is utterly unintuitive to have
> | none of those functions under the name git.debian.org but instead
> | the host storing the data and offering ssh access. [1]
>
> git.d.o does offer git://. It also does redirect to the right host for
> pulling via HTTP and viewing repositories when accessed via HTTP.

Is that supposed to stay that way or will parts of that get lost at some
day? (And it would be nice to have git.debian.org/ show gitweb directly
again (RedirectMatch /$ ...)).

> That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use
> git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes.

Would you expect to be able to push to git.debian.org? I personally
would expect that not much more than expecting to have an package
upload queue on ftp.debian.org. (And am actually quite suprised that
from the many .git/config files in my home directory one actually
has a url = git+ssh://brlink@git.debian.org... in it and not the usual
url = brlink@alioth.debian.org:...)

Bernhard R. Link


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Old 05-27-2011, 03:21 PM
Tollef Fog Heen
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

]] Agustin Martin

| On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:27:42AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
| > ]] "Bernhard R. Link"
| > | With all due respect to the great work you do maintaining alioth
| > | and understanding that after such a big transition it can be
| > | annoying to have to change things again I really want to urge
| > | you to change that again.
| >
| > That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use
| > git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes.

(Just to be clear: this is hypothetical.)

| Note thet gitweb currently offers git.d.o, e.g.,
|
| git+ssh://git.debian.org/git/users/philipp/bayesian-toolbox

So we should make sure that link works, yes.

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Old 05-27-2011, 03:32 PM
Bernd Zeimetz
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

On 05/27/2011 02:51 PM, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
>> That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use
>> git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes.
>
> Would you expect to be able to push to git.debian.org?

Yes. It is easy to remember and personally I fail to understand why it
should not be possible to find a sane way to make it available.


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Old 05-28-2011, 01:48 PM
Ian Jackson
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

Bernd Zeimetz writes ("Re: Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth"):
> On 05/27/2011 02:51 PM, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> >> That means you can no longer commit to git.d.o, so you'll have to use
> >> git-commit.d.o or something similar for pushes.
> >
> > Would you expect to be able to push to git.debian.org?
>
> Yes. It is easy to remember and personally I fail to understand why it
> should not be possible to find a sane way to make it available.

The question is, if the alioth admins find it difficult, which is more
important: anonymous pull and/or gitweb from git.debian.org, or ssh
push to git.debian.org ?

I think the answer is obviously the former. Someone who pushes to a
repo already needs to know about it, set up keys, etc. A visitor who
just wants to download may know nothing and just guess urls.

Ian.


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Old 05-30-2011, 10:28 PM
Tollef Fog Heen
 
Default Please reconsider public vcs naming on alioth

]] Ian Jackson

| I think the answer is obviously the former. Someone who pushes to a
| repo already needs to know about it, set up keys, etc. A visitor who
| just wants to download may know nothing and just guess urls.

They're more likely to use their favourite search engine or click on a
link, I think.

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