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Old 04-19-2011, 04:34 PM
David Lehman
 
Default Bootloader patches for rawhide

Lots of miscellaneous fixes and tweaks to general bootloader stuff.

Also introduces a GRUB2 class and eventually makes it the default on
X86. GRUB2 lacks working support for passwords and is missing control
over ordering of various kernels/entries. Otherwise, believe it or not,
it is functional whereas GRUB1 is not.

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Old 04-19-2011, 07:06 PM
"J.H."
 
Default Bootloader patches for rawhide

On 04/19/2011 09:34 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> Lots of miscellaneous fixes and tweaks to general bootloader stuff.
>
> Also introduces a GRUB2 class and eventually makes it the default on
> X86. GRUB2 lacks working support for passwords and is missing control
> over ordering of various kernels/entries. Otherwise, believe it or not,
> it is functional whereas GRUB1 is not.

>From a personal perspective (and one I realize I won't be able to change
the course of things here) I'd question both GRUB1 and GRUB2 being
functional.

I'd also point out that while GRUB1 has it's warts (sometimes updating a
kernel causes grub to no longer be able to boot for instance), it is the
devil that we (Fedora), and the rest of the admin community know and
understand.

I'd also claim that taking features away (as you mentioned passwords and
ordering of kernels / entries, at the least) is not something to be
taken as lightly as it seems. I don't object to the patches, but I do
object / have serious concern over making GRUB2 the default.

- John 'Warthog9' Hawley

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Old 04-19-2011, 07:15 PM
David Lehman
 
Default Bootloader patches for rawhide

On Tue, 2011-04-19 at 12:06 -0700, J.H. wrote:
> On 04/19/2011 09:34 AM, David Lehman wrote:
> > Lots of miscellaneous fixes and tweaks to general bootloader stuff.
> >
> > Also introduces a GRUB2 class and eventually makes it the default on
> > X86. GRUB2 lacks working support for passwords and is missing control
> > over ordering of various kernels/entries. Otherwise, believe it or not,
> > it is functional whereas GRUB1 is not.
>
> From a personal perspective (and one I realize I won't be able to change
> the course of things here) I'd question both GRUB1 and GRUB2 being
> functional.

What I mean by that statement is that grub on rawhide is broken. It has
nothing to do with anaconda. Meanwhile, grub2 is working.

>
> I'd also point out that while GRUB1 has it's warts (sometimes updating a
> kernel causes grub to no longer be able to boot for instance), it is the
> devil that we (Fedora), and the rest of the admin community know and
> understand.

Keep in mind that this is for rawhide and, as you can see by glancing at
patch 13, is trivial to reverse. You could even reverse it with an
updates.img if you don't like grub2.

>
> I'd also claim that taking features away (as you mentioned passwords and
> ordering of kernels / entries, at the least) is not something to be
> taken as lightly as it seems. I don't object to the patches, but I do
> object / have serious concern over making GRUB2 the default.

The intention here is to get more testing on grub2 so that we can
identify areas of concern and get them addressed so that it is ready for
F16.

I am quite comfortable with the idea of breaking things in rawhide for
the sake of progress. That is what it is for, IMO.

Dave

>
> - John 'Warthog9' Hawley


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