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Old 03-07-2011, 05:57 AM
Sandro Tosi
 
Default Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

Hello Matthias,
was this MBF announced & coordinated somewhere (and I simply missed
that message) as specified in [1]?

[1] http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/beyond-pkging.html#submit-many-bugs

Cheers,
Sandro

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 00:47, Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> wrote:
> Package: src:cssutils
> Version: 0.9.7~b2-2
> Severity: important
> Tags: sid wheezy
> User: debian-python@lists.debian.org
> Usertags: pycentral-deprecation
>
> The package build-depends on python-central, which should be
> removed in time for the wheezy release. *dh_python2 should be used instead.
> dh_python2 installs into the same locations as pycentral, but
> avoids the creation and removal of symlinks at package installation
> and removal time, making the upgrade process more robust and faster.
> .
> dh_python2 guarantees the installation into the same recommended site
> directory used by dh_pycentral, into which anybody can install without
> being forced to use any packaging helper tools.
> .
> Please find suggestions and help for the change at
> http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PyCentral2DhPython2
> .
> Please file bug reports against dh_python2 for the python-dev package.
> .
> Consider waiting with this change until python2.7 is a supported
> python version in unstable. *Test packages can already be built
> in experimental (having the python-* packages from experimental installed).
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Python-modules-team@lists.alioth.debian.org
> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/python-modules-team
>



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Old 03-07-2011, 06:20 AM
Raphael Hertzog
 
Default Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

Hi,

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> Hello Matthias,
> was this MBF announced & coordinated somewhere (and I simply missed
> that message) as specified in [1]?

He's the maintainer of python-central, he can certainly decide of its
fate.

While a review on -devel (and in general sharing news about his plans) is
always welcome, I really don't see the point of bringing this up as if it
was a big violation of a rule.

I'm glad python-central goes away and I hope python-support will follow so
that we keep a single system to package python modules on Debian. File as
many bugs that you need in support of that plan. :-)

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Old 03-07-2011, 06:25 AM
Bernd Zeimetz
 
Default Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

On 03/07/2011 07:57 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> Hello Matthias,
> was this MBF announced & coordinated somewhere (and I simply missed
> that message) as specified in [1]?
>
> [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/beyond-pkging.html#submit-many-bugs

Although i appreciate that python-central should go away, I hate how
this was communicated. A proer discussion before the MBF would have been
nice as we could have added links to dh_python2/3 and pointers to the
quirks you need to take care of when you migrate away from the buggy
hell called python-central. Now I see yet another mess of left-over
files coming.


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Old 03-07-2011, 06:32 AM
Steve Langasek
 
Default Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

On Mon, Mar 07, 2011 at 08:25:39AM +0100, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 03/07/2011 07:57 AM, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> > Hello Matthias,
> > was this MBF announced & coordinated somewhere (and I simply missed
> > that message) as specified in [1]?

> > [1] http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/beyond-pkging.html#submit-many-bugs

> Although i appreciate that python-central should go away, I hate how
> this was communicated. A proer discussion before the MBF would have been
> nice as we could have added links to dh_python2/3 and pointers to the
> quirks you need to take care of when you migrate away from the buggy
> hell called python-central. Now I see yet another mess of left-over
> files coming.

The bug reports appear to all reference
<http://wiki.debian.org/Python/PyCentral2DhPython2>. Is there any
information missing there about the needed quirks? If so, it's not too late
to fix.

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Old 03-07-2011, 07:05 AM
Sandro Tosi
 
Default Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 08:20, Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> Hello Matthias,
>> was this MBF announced & coordinated somewhere (and I simply missed
>> that message) as specified in [1]?
>
> He's the maintainer of python-central, he can certainly decide of its
> fate.

And no-ones said anything about that. But please also note that often,
MBF is about informing changes others' need to do on theirs packages
due to changes in your package, so ok it's his own package, but I
don't see how that can result in skipping [1].

> While a review on -devel (and in general sharing news about his plans) is
> always welcome, I really don't see the point of bringing this up as if it
> was a big violation of a rule.

Never said it's a 'big violation'. The fact is: we have a rule, we
pointed out many times (in particular to new contributors to Debian)
that filing many bugs without consulting d-devel is bad, so I'd like
to know if there's a reason this rule was not followed in this case.
Is this wrong?

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Old 03-07-2011, 07:54 AM
Raphael Hertzog
 
Default Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Sandro Tosi wrote:
> > While a review on -devel (and in general sharing news about his plans) is
> > always welcome, I really don't see the point of bringing this up as if it
> > was a big violation of a rule.
>
> Never said it's a 'big violation'. The fact is: we have a rule, we
> pointed out many times (in particular to new contributors to Debian)
> that filing many bugs without consulting d-devel is bad, so I'd like
> to know if there's a reason this rule was not followed in this case.
> Is this wrong?

The point of this rule is to avoid useless MBF, and/or MBF for changes
that are not agreed upon.

Do you have any such concern?

Otherwise you're just losing our time in useless discussions of
administrative rules.

Cheers,

PS: Yes this is all tainted by your regular attacks of Matthias. Would
someone else have asked the very same question, it could have been
interpreted differently.
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:01 AM
Sandro Tosi
 
Default Bug#616782: cssutils: deprecation of dh_pycentral, please use dh_python2

On Mon, Mar 7, 2011 at 09:54, Raphael Hertzog <hertzog@debian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Mar 2011, Sandro Tosi wrote:
>> > While a review on -devel (and in general sharing news about his plans) is
>> > always welcome, I really don't see the point of bringing this up as if it
>> > was a big violation of a rule.
>>
>> Never said it's a 'big violation'. The fact is: we have a rule, we
>> pointed out many times (in particular to new contributors to Debian)
>> that filing many bugs without consulting d-devel is bad, so I'd like
>> to know if there's a reason this rule was not followed in this case.
>> Is this wrong?
>
> The point of this rule is to avoid useless MBF, and/or MBF for changes
> that are not agreed upon.
>
> Do you have any such concern?
>
> Otherwise you're just losing our time in useless discussions of
> administrative rules.

Ok, so I took a note that if a maintainer believe he's doing a MBF for
the good, there's no need to consult -devel .

> PS: Yes this is all tainted by your regular attacks of Matthias. Would
> someone else have asked the very same question, it could have been
> interpreted differently.

Thanks for conducting this discussion constructively.

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