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Old 02-17-2011, 10:51 AM
Reinhard Tartler
 
Default Bug#613806: ITP: mplayer2 -- next generation movie player for Unix-like systems

Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Reinhard Tartler <siretart@tauware.de>

* Package name : mplayer2
Version : 2.0beta1
Upstream Author : Uoti Urpala <uoti.urpala@pp1.inet.fi>
* URL : http://www.mplayer2.org/
* License : GPL
Programming Lang: C
Description : next generation movie player for Unix-like systems

MPlayer plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI, Ogg/OGM, VIVO, ASF/WMA/WMV,
QT/MOV/MP4, FLI, RM, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, PVA files,
supported by many native, XAnim, RealPlayer, and Win32 DLL codecs. It
can also play VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, RealMedia, and DivX movies.

Another big feature of MPlayer is the wide range of supported output
drivers. It works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, DirectFB,
but also SDL (plus all its drivers) and some low level card-specific
drivers (for Matrox, 3Dfx and Radeon, Mach64 and Permedia3). Most of
them support software or hardware scaling, therefore allowing fullscreen
display. MPlayer is also able to use some hardware MPEG decoder boards,
such as the DVB and DXR3/Hollywood+.


The text above is copied from the existing mplayer package. It is
basically a well-known and quite popular fork of mplayer. TBH, I'm a bit
unsure what to do with it. From the first look, it seems that mplayer2
is better suited for being included in a distro release, but not (yet)
in its current form. Currently, it includes a copy of ffmpeg-mt, a
well-known fork of the ffmpeg package, which features multithreaded h264
decoding and actually is already in debian as part of the
chromium-browser package. While ffmpeg-mt is currently being
integrated/merged into ffmpeg upstream, mplayer2's future is not that
certain.

Having this in mind, I intend to maintain the package under the
pkg-multimedia umbrella. mplayer2 shoudl go to experimental for now,
including ffmpeg-mt. Help and ideas with that is more than welcome!



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Old 02-18-2011, 10:08 AM
Uoti Urpala
 
Default Bug#613806: ITP: mplayer2 -- next generation movie player for Unix-like systems

Reinhard Tartler <siretart <at> tauware.de> writes:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: Reinhard Tartler <siretart <at> tauware.de>
>
> * Package name : mplayer2
> Version : 2.0beta1
> Upstream Author : Uoti Urpala <uoti.urpala <at> pp1.inet.fi>
> * URL : http://www.mplayer2.org/
> * License : GPL
> Programming Lang: C
> Description : next generation movie player for Unix-like systems
>
> MPlayer plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI, Ogg/OGM, VIVO, ASF/WMA/WMV,
> QT/MOV/MP4, FLI, RM, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, PVA files,
> supported by many native, XAnim, RealPlayer, and Win32 DLL codecs. It
> can also play VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, RealMedia, and DivX movies.
>
> Another big feature of MPlayer is the wide range of supported output
> drivers. It works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, DirectFB,

> The text above is copied from the existing mplayer package. It is

The long description really needs a rewrite.

> basically a well-known and quite popular fork of mplayer. TBH, I'm a bit
> unsure what to do with it. From the first look, it seems that mplayer2
> is better suited for being included in a distro release, but not (yet)
> in its current form. Currently, it includes a copy of ffmpeg-mt, a

I'm not sure if you've misunderstood something or just phrased things
inaccurately, but I think this description is at least misleading for people who
aren't already familiar with the setup.

The player itself does not include a copy of any FFmpeg version, and can be
compiled against any external library versions. However, using FFmpeg-mt is the
best choice for the majority of users. Since there aren't packaged versions
available for most distros (and it's not really suited for a systemwide install
in its current form due to some API issues), the alternative recommended for
most users is to statically link against a custom-compiled FFmpeg-mt. The build
wrapper exists to make it easy to do this without needing separate manual
library building steps. However, use of the wrapper is in no way forced, and
users/packagers are free to choose what form of FFmpeg libraries to compile
against.

> well-known fork of the ffmpeg package, which features multithreaded h264
> decoding and actually is already in debian as part of the
> chromium-browser package. While ffmpeg-mt is currently being
> integrated/merged into ffmpeg upstream, mplayer2's future is not that
> certain.

If by future you mean the possibility of a merge with MPlayer 1, I think it's
pretty certain that won't happen. It's possible that at some point MPlayer 1
will die and be completely replaced by MPlayer2, but any other kind of "merge"
seems unlikely.


> Having this in mind, I intend to maintain the package under the
> pkg-multimedia umbrella. mplayer2 shoudl go to experimental for now,
> including ffmpeg-mt. Help and ideas with that is more than welcome!

I think having a package using FFmpeg-mt available is good, as it's a
substantial performance improvement over anything available in Debian today.
However as above this isn't directly forced by MPlayer2 itself.


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Old 02-18-2011, 11:15 AM
Reinhard Tartler
 
Default Bug#613806: ITP: mplayer2 -- next generation movie player for Unix-like systems

Thanks for jumping on this ITP, I wanted to point you to this ITP
yesteday but got distracted by other stuff. Seems you've noticed it
anyway, which is cool! :-)

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 12:08:25 (CET), Uoti Urpala wrote:

> Reinhard Tartler <siretart <at> tauware.de> writes:
>> Package: wnpp
>> Severity: wishlist
>> Owner: Reinhard Tartler <siretart <at> tauware.de>
>>
>> * Package name : mplayer2
>> Version : 2.0beta1
>> Upstream Author : Uoti Urpala <uoti.urpala <at> pp1.inet.fi>
>> * URL : http://www.mplayer2.org/
>> * License : GPL
>> Programming Lang: C
>> Description : next generation movie player for Unix-like systems
>>
>> MPlayer plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI, Ogg/OGM, VIVO, ASF/WMA/WMV,
>> QT/MOV/MP4, FLI, RM, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, PVA files,
>> supported by many native, XAnim, RealPlayer, and Win32 DLL codecs. It
>> can also play VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, RealMedia, and DivX movies.
>>
>> Another big feature of MPlayer is the wide range of supported output
>> drivers. It works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, DirectFB,
>
>> The text above is copied from the existing mplayer package. It is
>
> The long description really needs a rewrite.

Absolutely. Actually, this is also true for the package description of
the existing 'mplayer' package.

>> basically a well-known and quite popular fork of mplayer. TBH, I'm a bit
>> unsure what to do with it. From the first look, it seems that mplayer2
>> is better suited for being included in a distro release, but not (yet)
>> in its current form. Currently, it includes a copy of ffmpeg-mt, a
>
> I'm not sure if you've misunderstood something or just phrased things
> inaccurately, but I think this description is at least misleading for
> people who aren't already familiar with the setup.

Thanks for your elaboration on the issue. For practical packaging issue,
I think it makes most sense to just use the copy of ffmpeg-mt that is
included in the mplayer2 tarball. This is what i've referred to with
saying 'includes a copy of ffmpeg-mt'.

> I think having a package using FFmpeg-mt available is good, as it's a
> substantial performance improvement over anything available in Debian today.
> However as above this isn't directly forced by MPlayer2 itself.

Which has been requested several times now. Relevant reports include:

http://bugs.debian.org/575600
http://launchpad.net/bugs/611851

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Old 02-18-2011, 07:15 PM
Peter Samuelson
 
Default Bug#613806: ITP: mplayer2 -- next generation movie player for Unix-like systems

[Uoti Urpala]
> > Description : next generation movie player for Unix-like systems
> >
> > MPlayer plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI, Ogg/OGM, VIVO, ASF/WMA/WMV,
> > QT/MOV/MP4, FLI, RM, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, PVA files,
> > supported by many native, XAnim, RealPlayer, and Win32 DLL codecs. It
> > can also play VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, RealMedia, and DivX movies.
> >
> > Another big feature of MPlayer is the wide range of supported output
> > drivers. It works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, DirectFB,
>
> > The text above is copied from the existing mplayer package. It is
>
> The long description really needs a rewrite.

Maybe ... but mentioning all those file formats _is_ pretty useful for
'apt-cache search' purposes. I know we're all supposed to use tags for
such things now, but I find 'apt-cache search' a lot easier than
figuring out what tag I should be looking for.
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Old 02-18-2011, 09:06 PM
Uoti Urpala
 
Default Bug#613806: ITP: mplayer2 -- next generation movie player for Unix-like systems

Peter Samuelson <peter <at> p12n.org> writes:
> > > Description : next generation movie player for Unix-like systems
> > >
> > > MPlayer plays most MPEG, VOB, AVI, Ogg/OGM, VIVO, ASF/WMA/WMV,
> > > QT/MOV/MP4, FLI, RM, NuppelVideo, yuv4mpeg, FILM, RoQ, PVA files,
> > > supported by many native, XAnim, RealPlayer, and Win32 DLL codecs. It
> > > can also play VideoCD, SVCD, DVD, 3ivx, RealMedia, and DivX movies.
> > >
> > > Another big feature of MPlayer is the wide range of supported output
> > > drivers. It works with X11, Xv, DGA, OpenGL, SVGAlib, fbdev, DirectFB,
> >
> > > The text above is copied from the existing mplayer package. It is
> >
> > The long description really needs a rewrite.
>
> Maybe ... but mentioning all those file formats _is_ pretty useful for
> 'apt-cache search' purposes. I know we're all supposed to use tags for
> such things now, but I find 'apt-cache search' a lot easier than
> figuring out what tag I should be looking for.

That file format list is missing at least one of the major container formats
(Matroska). Some of the listed ones are very obscure; I think mentioning ability
to play back various audio-specific formats (none of which are listed now) would
be at least as important. The rest of the description is worse. The following
codec section is meaningless and misleading (most codecs now come from
libavcodec; I think about nobody uses XAnim for example).

More than half the lines in the description are about video output drivers, and
mostly list completely obscure features that very few will care about. The
drivers you may reasonably want to use on Linux are VDPAU (missing from the
description), OpenGL and XVideo. Plain X11 can be a fallback if your system
doesn't support any proper video output method. The rest are mostly special
cases and/or obscure unmaintained crap which doesn't belong in the package
description.


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