MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
Upgrading my own server to Squeeze, I've stumbled upon some stats that
I've been maintaining for quite a while. One of them is about how Debian packages declare upstream homepage, by using either the old "Homepage" pseudo-header in package description or the new field as per policy §5.6.23, or both(!). Live data about that are available at [1]. The advantage of the new format is that it is uniformly handled by various services, such as the PTS and packages.d.o, and can be more uniformly extracted from package information. I hereby propose a mass bug filing, severity minor, requesting migration to the proper debian/control field. A dd-list is attached. Please let me know if you spot false positives. Cheers. PS lintian has a warning-level tag about that [2], which reports 250 packages vs 279 reported by my script. I'll check where the differences come from before actually reporting the bugs. [1] http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/homepage-field/ [2] http://lintian.debian.org/tags/description-contains-homepage.html -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Quando anche i santi ti voltano le spalle, | . |. I've fans everywhere ti resta John Fante -- V. Capossela .......| ..: |.......... -- C. 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MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:12:51 +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> PS lintian has a warning-level tag about that [2], which reports 250 > packages vs 279 reported by my script. I'll check where the > differences come from before actually reporting the bugs. > Isn't the lintian warning enough? Or do we actually need the bugs for some reason? Cheers, Julien |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> (13/02/2011):
> I hereby propose a mass bug filing, severity minor, requesting > migration to the proper debian/control field. That might also be a sign of packages lacking love, maybe some of them should be orphaned or dropped instead? KiBi. |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:27:34PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> (13/02/2011): > > I hereby propose a mass bug filing, severity minor, requesting > > migration to the proper debian/control field. > > That might also be a sign of packages lacking love, maybe some of them > should be orphaned or dropped instead? > +1 Very outdated debhelper versions, policy versions and very aged last upload dates could be signs of MIA developers and abandonware. -- Francesco P. Lovergine -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org Archive: 20110213113154.GA2362@frankie.is-a-geek.org">http://lists.debian.org/20110213113154.GA2362@frankie.is-a-geek.org |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
Hi there!
On Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:31:54 +0100, Francesco P. Lovergine wrote: > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:27:34PM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: >> Stefano Zacchiroli <zack@debian.org> (13/02/2011): >> > I hereby propose a mass bug filing, severity minor, requesting >> > migration to the proper debian/control field. >> >> That might also be a sign of packages lacking love, maybe some of them >> should be orphaned or dropped instead? >> > > +1 > > Very outdated debhelper versions, policy versions and very aged last upload dates > could be signs of MIA developers and abandonware. Please be aware that not all the packages need a recent upload, especially when you consider non-software packages (e.g. artworks, sounds and so on). Even lintian does not produce any error when using old debhelper or policy versions (admitting the packages is fine with the new versions): <http://lintian.debian.org/tags/ancient-standards-version.html> <http://lintian.debian.org/tags/package-uses-deprecated-debhelper-compat-version.html> Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 02:36:02PM +0100, Luca Capello wrote:
> >> That might also be a sign of packages lacking love, maybe some of them > >> should be orphaned or dropped instead? I used the "Missing homepage field in debian/control" on the Blends tasks pages to enable some QA work which finally leaded to the effect that we now have all packages in Debian Med that in fact have a valid homepage (some packages do not have such thing any more) and in *all* cases the package needed some other polishing for some reasons. So using the Homepage field as some means to spot packages which are not maintained for some time seems to be a good idea and thus I would welcome the MBF effort. If it turns out that some bugs will be fixed by just dropping the package in question that's a reasonable thing to do as well. > Please be aware that not all the packages need a recent upload, > especially when you consider non-software packages (e.g. artworks, > sounds and so on). Even lintian does not produce any error when using > old debhelper or policy versions (admitting the packages is fine with > the new versions): IMHO one upload per Debian release with a recent Standards-Version should be done for every package. It shows that the maintainer is active and continues to be interested in the package. Given that our release cycle is > 1 year minimum this is a not too hard request. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org Archive: 20110213165747.GC6144@an3as.eu">http://lists.debian.org/20110213165747.GC6144@an3as.eu |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:23:46PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > PS lintian has a warning-level tag about that [2], which reports 250 > > packages vs 279 reported by my script. I'll check where the > > differences come from before actually reporting the bugs. > > > Isn't the lintian warning enough? Or do we actually need the bugs for > some reason? My recalling of how we've handled this large scale transitions in the past (hello /usr/doc) is that lintian usually goes a long way to reach a critical mass of the migration, but that at some point you need to be a bit more pushy than that. There are various ways of being more pushy, one can be to raise the lintian report level to error, but I believe in this case an explicit bug report could be more useful (beside also enabling maintainers to mark the change as pending in $VCS). Finally, some packages might have been uploaded before the lintian warning was introduced and the maintainers might have honestly missed the message. A bug report will fix that. I agree with Cyril that packages affected by this might be neglected, but I don't want to entangle the two QA efforts. Maybe, if we go for the MBF and tag the bugs properly, the presence of this bug can be perused by monitors like bapase [1] as extra data to identify neglected packages? Cheers. [1] http://udd.debian.org/bapase.cgi -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Quando anche i santi ti voltano le spalle, | . |. I've fans everywhere ti resta John Fante -- V. Capossela .......| ..: |.......... -- C. Adams |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
Le dimanche 13 fĂ©vrier 2011 Ă* 17:57 +0100, Andreas Tille a Ă©crit :
> IMHO one upload per Debian release with a recent Standards-Version > should be done for every package. It shows that the maintainer is > active and continues to be interested in the package. Given that our > release cycle is > 1 year minimum this is a not too hard request. Thanks for volunteering to help. It is appreciated. -- .'`. : :' : “You would need to ask a lawyer if you don't know `. `' that a handshake of course makes a valid contract.” `- -- J???rg Schilling -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org Archive: 1297675346.3044.213.camel@meh">http://lists.debian.org/1297675346.3044.213.camel@meh |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:12:51PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I hereby propose a mass bug filing, severity minor, requesting > migration to the proper debian/control field. My own reading of this thread is that we can go ahead with this MBF. You can find attached the template and actual package list, ready for mass-bug invocation. Barring new objections, I'll file it tomorrow. Once filed, I'll provide an export of packages still affected, in case others want to use the list for other QA efforts such as orphaning / removal, as requested by some participants in the thread. Cheers. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Quando anche i santi ti voltano le spalle, | . |. I've fans everywhere ti resta John Fante -- V. Capossela .......| ..: |.......... -- C. Adams [ This is an automated bug report, submitted as part of the mass bug filing discussed at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/02/msg00367.html ] According to lintian, #PACKAGE# uses its long description to point to upstream homepage, following an old Developer's Reference recommendation. That practice has various drawbacks, including the inability to automatically process homepage information from package-related services such as packages.d.o, the PTS, etc. Starting from version 1.14.6, dpkg supports Homepage: as a regular field in debian/control. Please remove the deprecated pseudo header from #PACKAGE# long description and turn it into a regular debian/control field. In case of multiple binary packages, doing so would also allow to factor out homepage information into the source stanza of debian/control. Thanks for considering, Cheers. aclock.app aconnectgui adplay advancecomp aee afio alsamixergui apwal array-info aspell-ar aspell-ar-large aspell-fa aspell-sl asterisk-prompt-es-co balance bbrun bbtime bittorrent bittorrent-gui bmon bubblefishymon catdoc ccd2iso cgiirc chalow cobalt-panel-utils cpuid csmash-demosong cssed ctorrent cvs-syncmail cvstrac dcfldd diveintopython-zh dlume dns-browse docbook-html-forms docbook-mathml docbook-slides docbook-slides-demo docbook-website doctorj driconf easyh10 ecb ferret fullquottel gaim-extendedprefs gap-character-tables gap-prim-groups gap-small-groups gap-small-groups-extra gap-trans-groups gcolor2 gdeskcal gkrellm-bfm gkrellm-hdplop gkrellm-mldonkey glipper gnome-icon-theme-gartoon gnome-launch-box gnome-ppp gnustep-icons gomoku.app gpass gplcver gpx2shp grdesktop greed gridlock.app gtkterm gzrt hama-slide-mouse-control hfsutils hfsutils-tcltk hsetroot hybserv id3tool imediff2 iselect jade jigl jsmath-fonts jsmath-fonts-sprite keep ketchup keybled khmerconverter kodos lft libapache-admin-config-perl libapache2-mod-removeip libbiblio-isis-perl libbluecloth-ruby libbluecloth-ruby1.8 libbusiness-onlinepayment-viaklix-perl libclamav-client-perl libconvert-ber-perl libdata-walk-perl libemail-find-perl libemail-send-io-perl libescape-ruby libezv24-0 libezv24-dev libgconf-bridge-dev libgconf-bridge0 libgpcl-dev libgpcl0 libhtml-fromtext-perl libhtml-htmltokenizer-ruby libjama-dev libjazzy-java liblangscan-ruby liblog4cpp-doc libmarkaby-ruby libmarkaby-ruby1.8 libmeanwhile-dev libmeanwhile1 libmemcache-dev libmemcache0 libntrack0 libpam-rsa libpcl1 libpcl1-dev libperlmenu-perl libqwt-dev libropkg-perl libsexy-dev libsexy-doc libsexy2 libsp-gxmlcpp-dev libsp-gxmlcpp1 libsp1-dev libsp1c2 libsuitesparse-metis-3.1.0 libswidgets-java libtie-ical-perl libtnt-dev libtoolbar-java libui-dialog-perl libxml-rss-feed-perl mailcheck maildirsync mazeofgalious mazeofgalious-data mdf2iso mdk micro-proxy minit mppenc mrename mybashburn netwag netwag-doc netwox netwox-doc ows par pdfcube pfm php-auth-http php-config php-date php-file php-image-barcode php-net-smartirc pidgin-extprefs pidgin-themes png2html pxe pymissile pyqonsole python-dialog python-dogtail python-empy python-empy-doc python-mechanize python-pyip python-sesame python-snpp python-sqlitecachec python-statgrab python-unit qemuctl qemulator qps qsf qtstalker queuegraph ree resmed-doc rmagic rofs rpl rubrica sanduhr screenie scribus-template sextractor sigit sp ssss stardict-xmlittre starvoyager starvoyager-data stun stymulator teatime texmacs-extra-fonts trueprint txt2pdbdoc viewpdf.app volumecontrol.app w3-dtd-mathml w3c-dtd-xhtml wavesurfer wfo wmhdplop wmwave worklog wpp x-face-el xbomb yersinia yics yudit yudit-common yudit-doc zssh |
MBF: switching away from homepage pseudo-header
[ adding -qa for the neglected-packages-busting part ]
On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 03:59:33PM +0100, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > My own reading of this thread is that we can go ahead with this MBF. > You can find attached the template and actual package list, ready for > mass-bug invocation. Barring new objections, I'll file it tomorrow. Done. The bug overview page on the BTS is at: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?tag=homepage-field;users=debian-qa@lists.debian.org > Once filed, I'll provide an export of packages still affected, in case > others want to use the list for other QA efforts such as orphaning / > removal, as requested by some participants in the thread. Ditto. The daily generated listing of still affected packages is at: http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/homepage-field/mbf-homepage-outstanding.txt As suggested by others in this thread, the above list can give "extra points" when looking for abandoned packages. It didn't exclude packages where the bug is currently marked pending though, patches welcome (see http://upsilon.cc/~zack/stuff/homepage-field/ for code info.) Cheers. « If you can't measure it, it doesn't exist. » -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer Science PostDoc @ Univ. Paris 7 zack@{upsilon.cc,pps.jussieu.fr,debian.org} -<>- http://upsilon.cc/zack/ Quando anche i santi ti voltano le spalle, | . |. I've fans everywhere ti resta John Fante -- V. Capossela .......| ..: |.......... -- C. Adams |
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