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Old 02-04-2008, 07:22 PM
William Pitcock
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 18:08 +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Alexandre Rossi (alexandre.rossi@gmail.com):
> > Package: wnpp
> > Severity: wishlist
> > Owner: Alexandre Rossi <alexandre.rossi@gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > * Package name : deejayd
> > Version : 0.6.2
> > Upstream Author : MickaŽl Royer <mickael.royer@gmail.com>
> > * URL : http://mroy31.dyndns.org/~roy/projects/deejayd/
> > * License : GPL
> > Programming Lang: Python
> > Description : A media player daemon
>
> I suggest "media player daemon" or "media playing daemon"...but anyway
> drop the leading article (DevRef 6.2.2)
>
>

"media player daemon" may be confusing with mpd. "daemon which plays
media in the background" may be better.

William
 
Old 02-04-2008, 08:28 PM
Ron Johnson
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

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On 02/04/08 14:22, William Pitcock wrote:
> On Mon, 2008-02-04 at 18:08 +0100, Christian Perrier wrote:
>> Quoting Alexandre Rossi (alexandre.rossi@gmail.com):
>>> Package: wnpp
>>> Severity: wishlist
>>> Owner: Alexandre Rossi <alexandre.rossi@gmail.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> * Package name : deejayd
>>> Version : 0.6.2
>>> Upstream Author : MickaŽl Royer <mickael.royer@gmail.com>
>>> * URL : http://mroy31.dyndns.org/~roy/projects/deejayd/
>>> * License : GPL
>>> Programming Lang: Python
>>> Description : A media player daemon
>> I suggest "media player daemon" or "media playing daemon"...but anyway
>> drop the leading article (DevRef 6.2.2)
>>
>>
>
> "media player daemon" may be confusing with mpd. "daemon which plays
> media in the background" may be better.

More importantly: what is the benefit of deejayd over any other
media player? *That* would be useful info for the Full Description.

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Old 02-04-2008, 08:54 PM
Christian Perrier
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

Quoting Ron Johnson (ron.l.johnson@cox.net):

> >> I suggest "media player daemon" or "media playing daemon"...but anyway
> >> drop the leading article (DevRef 6.2.2)
> >>
> >>
> >
> > "media player daemon" may be confusing with mpd. "daemon which plays
> > media in the background" may be better.
>
> More importantly: what is the benefit of deejayd over any other
> media player? *That* would be useful info for the Full Description.


Yes. Apparently what's special about this is that it can be controlled
over the network. Probably not the only one but noticeable enough to
be mentioned in a short description.
 
Old 02-04-2008, 09:36 PM
Cyril Brulebois
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

On 04/02/2008, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Yes. Apparently what's special about this is that it can be
> controlled over the network. Probably not the only one but
> noticeable enough to be mentioned in a short description.

mpd also supports that (tcp/6600).

Cheers,

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Old 02-05-2008, 05:34 AM
"Alexandre Rossi"
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

> > Yes. Apparently what's special about this is that it can be
> > controlled over the network. Probably not the only one but
> > noticeable enough to be mentioned in a short description.
>
> mpd also supports that (tcp/6600).

Yep this project is very similar to mpd. As far as I know, it improves
over mpd with the following features :
- play queue
- video support (this is also an advantage over XMMS2 but I do not
know this project well enough to do a full comparison)
- xine or gstreamer backend (i.e. more supported media formats, well
tested media backends)
- more easily extensible protocol because of XML and easier to extend
because of Python
- asynchronous notifications other the network (you can subscribe to
song changes, etc, XMMS2 also has this)
- webradios dedicated mode
- integrated web interface

It has the following drawbacks compared to mpd :
- uses more memory and perhaps more CPU time (because written in
Python vs optimized C) but it keeps reasonable, you'll see if you give
it a try.
- no ReplayGain support (this is a planned feature).
- younger project thus less stable, less tested although the codebase
is not very large (we use everything we can reuse) and we've got quite
a big test suite.
- no Zeroconf support.
- only 3 clients (cmdline, web, maemo platform) and GUIs still have rough edges.

This is a summary of what I know. I think all those projects are
complementary. deejayd does not have (yet?) unique features, but it is
a unique combination of features.

Also of interest, there is a page that explains why we started the project.
http://mroy31.dyndns.org/~roy/projects/deejayd/wiki/Why/

Should all this fit in the package description?

Thanks,

Alex


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Old 02-05-2008, 06:10 AM
Hamish Moffatt
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:34:06AM +0100, Alexandre Rossi wrote:
> > > Yes. Apparently what's special about this is that it can be
> > > controlled over the network. Probably not the only one but
> > > noticeable enough to be mentioned in a short description.
> >
> > mpd also supports that (tcp/6600).
>
> Yep this project is very similar to mpd. As far as I know, it improves
> over mpd with the following features :
> - play queue

mpd has a play queue.

> - video support (this is also an advantage over XMMS2 but I do not
> know this project well enough to do a full comparison)

Isn't that a client/front-end issue?

> - xine or gstreamer backend (i.e. more supported media formats, well
> tested media backends)

OK.

> - more easily extensible protocol because of XML and easier to extend
> because of Python

Wow, XML. Shiny! It must be better then(?).

> It has the following drawbacks compared to mpd :
> - uses more memory and perhaps more CPU time (because written in
> Python vs optimized C) but it keeps reasonable, you'll see if you give
> it a try.

DSP in pure Python? Hopefully not.


cheers
Hamish
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Old 02-05-2008, 05:13 PM
Steve Greenland
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

On 05-Feb-08, 01:10 (CST), Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 07:34:06AM +0100, Alexandre Rossi wrote:
> > > > Yes. Apparently what's special about this is that it can be
> > > > controlled over the network. Probably not the only one but
> > > > noticeable enough to be mentioned in a short description.
> > >
> > > mpd also supports that (tcp/6600).
> >
> > Yep this project is very similar to mpd. As far as I know, it improves
> > over mpd with the following features :
> > - play queue
>
> mpd has a play queue.

No it doesn't. See SVN revision 7155. (Short version: the maintainer
didn't like the implementation, and ripped it out.)

> DSP in pure Python? Hopefully not.

No, the actual playback is via xine or gstreamer, as previously noted.

I think this is different enough from mpd to be worth including. I'll
probably switch when it's packaged.

Steve

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Old 02-05-2008, 08:27 PM
Hamish Moffatt
 
Default Bug#463973: ITP: deejayd -- A media player daemon

On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 12:13:29PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote:
> On 05-Feb-08, 01:10 (CST), Hamish Moffatt <hamish@debian.org> wrote:
> > mpd has a play queue.
>
> No it doesn't. See SVN revision 7155. (Short version: the maintainer
> didn't like the implementation, and ripped it out.)

Erm, that's unfortunate.

> > DSP in pure Python? Hopefully not.
> No, the actual playback is via xine or gstreamer, as previously noted.
>
> I think this is different enough from mpd to be worth including. I'll
> probably switch when it's packaged.

I agree, especially having read the justifications on the deejayd wiki.

My apologies to Alexandre Rossi as my earlier reply was a bit harsh.

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