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Santiago Vila 04-04-2010 08:18 PM

Some mail changes
 
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Stephen Gran wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Currently, there is an implicit conflation between $user@debian.org and
> $user@$machine.debian.org. This means that mail to, for instance,
> sgran@gluck.debian.org is handled the same way as mail to
> sgran@debian.org, whether or not I have an account on the gluck. I'd
> quite like to change this.
>
> Unfortunately, this will break some people's mail setups if they rely on
> this implicit behavior. The most common usage I have seen of this type
> is a user whoes does not have a mail forward set and relies on, for
> instance, procmail on master to do the work for them. If you are
> currently relying on something like this, please set your mail forward
> to $user@master.debian.org. This will allow procmail/.forward/etc
> handling to continue. There appear to currently be 27 active users who
> do not have mail forwards set in ldap, so this mail is primarily to
> them. A list can be provided, but the same list can be obtained with:
>
> ldapsearch -x '(&(uid=*)(!(emailForward=*))(!(accountStatus=*))( !(objectClass=debianRoleAccount)))' uid
>
> from any debian.org machine.

I am one of those 27.

Would not be easier and more straightforward if the mail setup is
automatically changed for us?

The net effect would be the same: receiving @debian.org mail on master.

Am I missing anything?


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Stephen Gran 04-04-2010 08:44 PM

Some mail changes
 
This one time, at band camp, Santiago Vila said:
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Stephen Gran wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Currently, there is an implicit conflation between $user@debian.org and
> > $user@$machine.debian.org. This means that mail to, for instance,
> > sgran@gluck.debian.org is handled the same way as mail to
> > sgran@debian.org, whether or not I have an account on the gluck. I'd
> > quite like to change this.
> >
> > Unfortunately, this will break some people's mail setups if they rely on
> > this implicit behavior. The most common usage I have seen of this type
> > is a user who does not have a mail forward set and relies on, for
> > instance, procmail on master to do the work for them. If you are
> > currently relying on something like this, please set your mail forward
> > to $user@master.debian.org. This will allow procmail/.forward/etc
> > handling to continue. There appear to currently be 27 active users who
> > do not have mail forwards set in ldap, so this mail is primarily to
> > them. A list can be provided, but the same list can be obtained with:
> >
> > ldapsearch -x '(&(uid=*)(!(emailForward=*))(!(accountStatus=*))( !(objectClass=debianRoleAccount)))' uid
> >
> > from any debian.org machine.
>
> I am one of those 27.
>
> Would not be easier and more straightforward if the mail setup is
> automatically changed for us?

Easier and more straightforward for who?

> The net effect would be the same: receiving @debian.org mail on master.
>
> Am I missing anything?

While I appreciate the vote of confidence in my omniscience, I do not
share it. I would much prefer people to use the opportunity to decide
what to do with their own mail.

Cheers,
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Santiago Vila 04-04-2010 09:12 PM

Some mail changes
 
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Stephen Gran wrote:

> > The net effect would be the same: receiving @debian.org mail on master.
> >
> > Am I missing anything?
>
> While I appreciate the vote of confidence in my omniscience, I do not
> share it. I would much prefer people to use the opportunity to decide
> what to do with their own mail.

Those of us not having a mail forward have already decided
(implicitly, if you like) to receive the email in master.

Why would we have to do something for things to work as before?

Juat announce "Effective [some day], people who do not have an email
forward setup will have one pointing to master, so that they will continue
to receive email in master" and be done with it.


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Stephen Gran 04-04-2010 10:15 PM

Some mail changes
 
This one time, at band camp, Santiago Vila said:
> On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Stephen Gran wrote:
>
> > > The net effect would be the same: receiving @debian.org mail on
> > > master.
> > >
> > > Am I missing anything?
> >
> > While I appreciate the vote of confidence in my omniscience, I do
> > not share it. I would much prefer people to use the opportunity to
> > decide what to do with their own mail.
>
> Those of us not having a mail forward have already decided
> (implicitly, if you like) to receive the email in master.
>
> Why would we have to do something for things to work as before?
>
> Juat announce "Effective [some day], people who do not have an email
> forward setup will have one pointing to master, so that they will
> continue to receive email in master" and be done with it.

I am going to politely assume that what you are saying is "would you
please do this for me", rather than "I insist you do this because I
can't be bothered to waste a precious 30 seconds on it and would rather
write several mails instead". In response to your request, I am sorry,
but I am unlikely to do a mass update of people's mail forwards for
this.

Cheers,
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| : :' : sgran@debian.org |
| `. `' Debian user, admin, and developer |
| `- http://www.debian.org |
-----------------------------------------------------------------

Santiago Vila 04-04-2010 11:15 PM

Some mail changes
 
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010, Stephen Gran wrote:

> This one time, at band camp, Santiago Vila said:
> > Juat announce "Effective [some day], people who do not have an email
> > forward setup will have one pointing to master, so that they will
> > continue to receive email in master" and be done with it.
>
> I am going to politely assume that what you are saying is "would you
> please do this for me", rather than "I insist you do this because I
> can't be bothered to waste a precious 30 seconds on it and would rather
> write several mails instead". In response to your request, I am sorry,
> but I am unlikely to do a mass update of people's mail forwards for
> this.

I'm sorry too, but sending email to /dev/null as a punishment for not
reading -devel-announce in 14 days (for whatever reason) is everything
but "polite".

It's true that it takes very little time to read the docs and find this:

echo "emailforward: foo@bar.com" | gpg --clearsign | mail change@db.debian.org

I'll do that. So, no, I didn't mean "please do this for me", but I will
not insist that you have to do it either. Let people lose their email
and see what happens. It will be fun.

Thanks.


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Philipp Kern 04-05-2010 06:56 AM

Some mail changes
 
On 2010-04-04, Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> wrote:
> Juat announce "Effective [some day], people who do not have an email
> forward setup will have one pointing to master, so that they will continue
> to receive email in master" and be done with it.

You mean like [0]?

Kind regards,
Philipp Kern

[0] <20090822220914.GA24348@www.lobefin.net>


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Santiago Vila 04-05-2010 10:44 AM

Some mail changes
 
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010, Philipp Kern wrote:

> On 2010-04-04, Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es> wrote:
> > Juat announce "Effective [some day], people who do not have an email
> > forward setup will have one pointing to master, so that they will continue
> > to receive email in master" and be done with it.
>
> You mean like [0]?
>
> Kind regards,
> Philipp Kern
>
> [0] <20090822220914.GA24348@www.lobefin.net>

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2009/08/msg00007.html

"we are going to update LDAP so that everyone who doesn't currently
have a mail forward set will have it set to $uid@master.debian.org."

Yes, exactly, like that :-) For some strange reason, that automatic
forward from 2009 didn't happen apparently in my ldap setup, or maybe
I disabled it afterwards, I don't know.

Anyway, I've set my email forward yesterday.

I just hope that nobody loses email because of lack of action.

Sorry for the noise.

Thanks.


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