Hello,

I conducted an analysis to see if there are empty packages in the
archive which are not metapackages or transitional ones, and
then prepared a dd-list to show affected packages.

Some packages have been removed from the original list as it was
clearly stated in package descriptions they are empty by purpose,
others have been manually removed being false positives.

There could be more false positives, feel free to report
inaccuracies to have a more precise picture for a potential MBF.



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Il giorno Sun, 7 Feb 2010 20:20:08 +0100
Luca Falavigna <dktrkranz@debian.org> ha scritto:

> I conducted an analysis to see if there are empty packages in the
> archive which are not metapackages or transitional ones, and
> then prepared a dd-list to show affected packages.

To match source packages with affected binaries, you can look at the
list I prepared at http://people.debian.org/~dktrkranz/empty_packages

Regards,

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On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 08:20:08PM +0100, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I conducted an analysis to see if there are empty packages in the
> archive which are not metapackages or transitional ones, and
> then prepared a dd-list to show affected packages.
>
> Some packages have been removed from the original list as it was
> clearly stated in package descriptions they are empty by purpose,
> others have been manually removed being false positives.
>
> There could be more false positives, feel free to report
> inaccuracies to have a more precise picture for a potential MBF.
>

...

> Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
> kdeartwork
> kdebindings
> kdeedu
> kdepim
>

These are all metapackages.
BTW, I wonder why you listed only those from KDE and not for example
kdegames that is similar (KDE metapackage installing all the provided apps).

Ana


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On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 20:20:08 +0100, Luca Falavigna wrote:

> Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org>
> libxmu
>
debian/rules does:
dh_strip -Nlibxmu6 -Nlibxmuu1
dh_strip -plibxmu6 --dbg-package=libxmu6-dbg
dh_strip -plibxmuu1 --dbg-package=libxmuu1-dbg

and the debug symbols for both libxmu6 and libxmuu1 end up in
libxmu6-dbg. Probably because DH_OPTIONS is set to -s, and so the -p is
useless. Thanks for the report…

Cheers,
Julien


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On 07/02/2010 20:20, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> Debian Xfce Maintainers <pkg-xfce-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org>
> libxfcegui4

Aha, thought that dh7 tiny.rules would take care of the --dbg-package
arg to dh_strip for me. Thanks for noticing, will fix that soon.

Cheers,
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On 07/02/10 21:30, Ana Guerrero wrote:
>> Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
>> kdeartwork
>> kdebindings
>> kdeedu
>> kdepim
>>
>
> These are all metapackages.
> BTW, I wonder why you listed only those from KDE and not for example
> kdegames that is similar (KDE metapackage installing all the provided apps).

Those are the source packages. The buggy ones are not those, but others (indi
for kdeedu, kdeartwork-theme-window for kdeartwork...). See
http://people.debian.org/~dktrkranz/empty_packages to find the affected binary
packages.

Emilio


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On Sun, Feb 07, 2010 at 08:20:08PM +0100, Luca Falavigna wrote:
> I conducted an analysis to see if there are empty packages in the
> archive which are not metapackages or transitional ones, and
> then prepared a dd-list to show affected packages.

Eya, thanks for this, very cool indeed.

Is the code you used to detect this available somewhere? I wonder mainly
how did you check if the packages are metapackages/transitional. If it
is something you consider reliable, it would be worth to turn your code
into a lintian check, so that we avoid in the future re-introducing this
kind of bugs.

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Stefano Zacchiroli ha scritto:
> Is the code you used to detect this available somewhere? I wonder mainly
> how did you check if the packages are metapackages/transitional. If it
> is something you consider reliable, it would be worth to turn your code
> into a lintian check, so that we avoid in the future re-introducing this
> kind of bugs.

Well, "code" is located on lintian.debian.org/~dktrkranz/empty.sh, it's
a very simple shell script which declares a package being empty if all
of the following conditions are met:

* package does not ship files outside of /usr/share/doc/$pkg
* package does not have subdirectories in its /usr/share/doc dir
* package does not have a "blacklist" word in its description:
- meta
- transition
- dummy
- dependency package
- empty package
- virtual package

After that, I manually sorted resulting packages to remove notable false
positives, so it's definitely not reliable enough to provide full
automated reports yet, but I can work to define improved conditions.

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On So, Feb 07, 2010 at 20:20:08 (CET), Luca Falavigna wrote:

> Reinhard Tartler <siretart@tauware.de>
> byobu (U)

I don't understand why this package is claimed to be empty:

http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/byobu/filelist

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Reinhard Tartler <siretart@debian.org> (08/02/2010):
> I don't understand why this package is claimed to be empty:
>
> http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/byobu/filelist

Because of:

http://packages.debian.org/sid/all/byobu-extras/filelist

Mraw,
KiBi.