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Old 01-02-2008, 09:11 AM
Hideki Yamane
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

Hi list,

I'm waiting sylpheed 2.4.8-1 package (i386) from 25th December, all
architectures except i386 are built completed. sylpheed is still in
build queue for one week.
http://unstable.buildd.net/buildd/i386_Needs-Build_queueorder.html

build percentage for i386 has decreased.
http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-week-big.png

Is there any trouble for i386 build?

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Old 01-02-2008, 12:27 PM
Aurelien Jarno
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

Hideki Yamane a écrit :
> Hi list,
>
> I'm waiting sylpheed 2.4.8-1 package (i386) from 25th December, all
> architectures except i386 are built completed. sylpheed is still in
> build queue for one week.
> http://unstable.buildd.net/buildd/i386_Needs-Build_queueorder.html
>
> build percentage for i386 has decreased.
> http://buildd.debian.org/stats/graph-week-big.png
>
> Is there any trouble for i386 build?

It seems the build daemon is down. However according to [1] it should
not be a problem, you should build and upload the packages manually:

| Waiver (for redundancy, since there isn't any): Most developers upload
| for i386; buildd downtime can be made up for with manual uploads for
| the few other packages

And according to [1] you are supposed to have an i386 machine to do that:

| Waiver: everyone has an i386 of their own, developer machines are
| unnecessary.

Cheers,
Aurelien

[1] http://wiki.debian.org/i386EtchReleaseRecertification

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Old 01-02-2008, 12:51 PM
Thijs Kinkhorst
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

On Wednesday 2 January 2008 14:27, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> It seems the build daemon is down. However according to [1] it should
>
> not be a problem, you should build and upload the packages manually:
> | Waiver (for redundancy, since there isn't any): Most developers upload
> | for i386; buildd downtime can be made up for with manual uploads for
> | the few other packages

Although this used to be sensible, it is getting outdated fast with the growth
of amd64. Within the security team we're already experiencing the trouble
with the i386 buildd being down from time to time, and a second one (perhaps
with an extra buildd admin) would in my opinion be very desirable.

Of course i386 machines are commonly available, but the suggested procedure of
making uploads by hand is undesirable (especially for stable):

a) it increases chances of dirty/broken build environments;
b) it costs time;
c) some packages require nontrivial resources (time, disk) to build.

Several DSA's have been stalled the past months because of missing i386
builds. It would be great if we can reduce that.


Thijs
 
Old 01-02-2008, 01:12 PM
Hideki Yamane
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

Hi,

On Wed, 02 Jan 2008 14:27:42 +0100
Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net> wrote:
> It seems the build daemon is down. However according to [1] it should
> not be a problem, you should build and upload the packages manually:

But I'm not a DD and not sylpheed package maintainer... ;-)

Umm, if build daemon is down, it is a problem, I think.
As i386 it is not a serious, but it is just a problem.




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Old 01-02-2008, 01:41 PM
Christian Perrier
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

Quoting Thijs Kinkhorst (thijs@debian.org):

> Of course i386 machines are commonly available, but the suggested procedure of
> making uploads by hand is undesirable (especially for stable):
>
> a) it increases chances of dirty/broken build environments;
> b) it costs time;
> c) some packages require nontrivial resources (time, disk) to build.
>
> Several DSA's have been stalled the past months because of missing i386
> builds. It would be great if we can reduce that.


Seconded (easy to say for me as I'm definitely not in position to do
much to have another i386 buildd).

I just noticed that missing i386 buildd today because I was surprised
of KDE being non installable currently on i386 because many packages
need to be built as they were apparently manually built on an amd64
machine.
 
Old 01-02-2008, 04:18 PM
Julien BLACHE
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

Hideki Yamane <henrich@debian.or.jp> wrote:

> Umm, if build daemon is down, it is a problem, I think.
> As i386 it is not a serious, but it is just a problem.

It is a problem, and it is serious. It's stalling the testing
transition already due to missing builds.

i386 is no longer a special case among our supported architectures.

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Old 01-02-2008, 07:18 PM
Pierre Habouzit
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 05:18:58PM +0000, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Hideki Yamane <henrich@debian.or.jp> wrote:
>
> > Umm, if build daemon is down, it is a problem, I think.
> > As i386 it is not a serious, but it is just a problem.
>
> It is a problem, and it is serious. It's stalling the testing
> transition already due to missing builds.
>
> i386 is no longer a special case among our supported architectures.

Agreed. OTOH couldn't the amd64 buildd's also act as i386 buildd's ? I
think that _most_ of the packages are built either on x86 or amd64, and
it's fair to share the buildd infrastructure on the same hosts based on
this. That should solve the issue of needing a w-b access since it's
host-based I guess.

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Old 01-02-2008, 07:33 PM
Joey Hess
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

Thijs Kinkhorst wrote:
> Several DSA's have been stalled the past months because of missing i386
> builds. It would be great if we can reduce that.

i386 d-i is also broken due to missing i386 builds now. (partman-*
version skew)

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Old 01-02-2008, 07:35 PM
Aurelien Jarno
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
> On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 05:18:58PM +0000, Julien BLACHE wrote:
>> Hideki Yamane <henrich@debian.or.jp> wrote:
>>
>>> Umm, if build daemon is down, it is a problem, I think.
>>> As i386 it is not a serious, but it is just a problem.
>> It is a problem, and it is serious. It's stalling the testing
>> transition already due to missing builds.
>>
>> i386 is no longer a special case among our supported architectures.
>
> Agreed. OTOH couldn't the amd64 buildd's also act as i386 buildd's ? I
> think that _most_ of the packages are built either on x86 or amd64, and
> it's fair to share the buildd infrastructure on the same hosts based on
> this. That should solve the issue of needing a w-b access since it's
> host-based I guess.

wanna-build access is handled via an ssh-key so that's not a problem.

The main problem I see is that sbuild uses apt from the host
installation, which means the host and the chroot should have the same
architecture.


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Old 01-02-2008, 07:54 PM
Colin Watson
 
Default some packges are waiting for i386 build

On Wed, Jan 02, 2008 at 09:35:08PM +0100, Aurelien Jarno wrote:
> The main problem I see is that sbuild uses apt from the host
> installation, which means the host and the chroot should have the same
> architecture.

Two solutions present themselves:

* -o APT::Architecture=i386 (if that works)

* an i386 chroot within which you run sbuild, with the actual buildd
chroots nested inside that

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