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Old 02-28-2009, 05:03 AM
Steve Langasek
 
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:59:27AM +0000, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 09:07:35PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:

> > We plan on changing the current sections in the archive. With the rapid
> > growth of archive, many of them have become too big to be useful anymore.

> I propose 'oldlibs' to be renamed to 'deprecated'.

> That would also fit, for example, packages abandoned upstream, or
> packages that have a better alternative, but that still have users.

> It will also provide a path for planning removals of packages from the
> archive, when the maintainer is still ok with maintaining a package and
> fixing its bugs, but in his/her long term plan the package should
> eventually go away.

There are tools that understand the special meaning of the 'oldlibs' section
and treat it specially; at least deborphan comes to mind, there may be
others. I don't see the necessity for such a section rename, but if it
happens I think it needs to be announced in advance and coordinated.

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Old 02-28-2009, 06:22 AM
Josselin Mouette
 
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Le vendredi 27 février 2009 * 21:40 +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
> Select one of cli-mono or ecma-cli and please also get me a short
> description

How about:

cli-mono -- The Common Language Infrastructure, the Mono implementation
and packages containing Common Intermediate Language code

Or, if it’s too long:

cli-mono -- Everything about Mono and the Common Language Infrastructure

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Old 02-28-2009, 07:02 AM
Paul Wise
 
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On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Josselin Mouette <joss@debian.org> wrote:
> Le vendredi 27 février 2009 * 21:40 +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
>> Select one of cli-mono or ecma-cli and please also get me a short
>> description
>
> How about:
>
> cli-mono -- The Common Language Infrastructure, the Mono implementation
> * * * * * *and packages containing Common Intermediate Language code
>
> Or, if it’s too long:
>
> cli-mono -- Everything about Mono and the Common Language Infrastructure

Hmm, what about other CLI implementations - DotGNU for instance?

ecma-cli -- development tools and libraries for ECMA-335, the Common
Language Infrastructure.

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Old 02-28-2009, 07:19 AM
Stefano Zacchiroli
 
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:31:25PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> >> Get me a short description for it.
> > "Compiler, libraries, and tools for OCaml: a static typed ML language
> > implementation supporting functional, imperative, and object-oriented
> > programming styles".
> You have an interesting definition of short, i stopped after : for
> now.

Eh :-)

> (Its a different thing what packages.d.o will show later, for example,
> but for me the part before the : is more than enough)

FWIW, my source of inspiration was this page
http://packages.debian.org/stable/, where something of the length I
gave you I think can be useful for users, but I'm fine with the
uber-short version too.

Thanks!

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Old 02-28-2009, 11:03 AM
Enrico Zini
 
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:03:55PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote:

> There are tools that understand the special meaning of the 'oldlibs' section
> and treat it specially; at least deborphan comes to mind, there may be
> others. I don't see the necessity for such a section rename, but if it
> happens I think it needs to be announced in advance and coordinated.

Indeed. It shouldn't be anything harder than adding 'deprecated'
(non-library, deprecated software) to complement oldlibs, ask tools to
treat them equally, and when we're satisfied that they do, just get rid
of oldlibs.


Ciao,

Enrico

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Old 02-28-2009, 09:01 PM
Axel Beckert
 
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Hi,

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:59:27AM +0000, Enrico Zini wrote:
> I propose 'oldlibs' to be renamed to 'deprecated'.
>
> That would also fit, for example, packages abandoned upstream, or
> packages that have a better alternative, but that still have users.

I would expect to have so called transitional or dummy packages which
pull in renamed packages or packages which have been replaced, in such
a section, too.

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Old 03-02-2009, 11:00 PM
Samuel Thibault
 
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Hello,

Joerg Jaspert, le Fri 27 Feb 2009 09:02:11 +0100, a crit :
> > Maybe it could be interesting to open an accessibility section?
>
> Maybe, maybe not. What packages would you put into it?

Just a quick rough list (90 bin packages):

accerciser
at-spi
at-spi-doc
big-cursor
brltty
brltty-flite
brltty-x11
cellwriter
clara
dasher
edbrowse
eflite
emacspeak
emacspeak-ss
epos
espeak-data
festival
festival-doc
festival-freebsoft-utils
festival-hi
festival-mr
festival-te
festlex-cmu
festlex-ifd
festlex-oald
festlex-poslex
festvox-czech-ph
festvox-don
festvox-ellpc11k
festvox-hi-nsk
festvox-italp16k
festvox-itapc16k
festvox-kallpc16k
festvox-kallpc8k
festvox-kdlpc16k
festvox-kdlpc8k
festvox-mr-nsk
festvox-rablpc16k
festvox-rablpc8k
festvox-suopuhe-common
festvox-suopuhe-lj
festvox-suopuhe-mv
festvox-te-nsk
flite
gnome-accessibility-themes
gnome-mag
gnome-orca
gnome-speech-swift
gocr
gocr-tk
gok
gok-doc
hocr-gtk
kdeaccessibility
kmag
kmousetool
kmouth
kttsd
kttsd-contrib-plugins
mousetweaks
mozilla-mozgest
recite
saydate
saytime
screader
speakup-doc
speechd-el
speechd-el-doc-cs
speech-dispatcher
speech-dispatcher-doc-cs
speech-dispatcher-festival
speech-tools
speech-tools-doc
sphinx2-bin
sphinx2-hmm-6k
stardict-plugin-espeak
tesseract-ocr
tesseract-ocr-deu
tesseract-ocr-deu-f
tesseract-ocr-eng
tesseract-ocr-fra
tesseract-ocr-ita
tesseract-ocr-nld
tesseract-ocr-por
tesseract-ocr-spa
ttf-ocr-a
wayv
xvkbd
xzoom
yasr

I probably forget a lot more, it's hard to track them as there is no
naming scheme at all.

Plus a few packages which I intend to package sooner or later (~20 bin
packages):
mousetrap
mbrola*
cicero
trf
liblouis-bin
liblouisxml-bin
xml2brl

Samuel


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Old 03-09-2009, 04:52 AM
Gunnar Wolf
 
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Hi,

Joerg Jaspert dijo [Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 09:07:35PM +0100]:
> As Lenny is finally released, and we are early in the cycle for squeeze,
> now is the best time to do some long-needed changes to our archive.
> Much of what we are currently doing is not visible to you as a user of
> this archive, but the action we talk about now is:
>
> We plan on changing the current sections in the archive. With the rapid
> growth of archive, many of them have become too big to be useful anymore.
> (...)
> httpd
> (...)
> cherokee*
> libcherokee*

Ok. Lintian does not yet like httpd as a section, but I guess you will
not reject an upload just because I listened to you ;-)

However, cherokee does include some -dev packages, which Lintian (IMHO
correctly) marks as they should belong to libdevel (where they are
now). Please confirm whether I should disregard this and put
libcherokee*-dev also in httpd (or am I being too literal in my
reading).

Thanks,

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Old 03-09-2009, 05:02 AM
Russ Allbery
 
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Gunnar Wolf <gwolf@gwolf.org> writes:

> Ok. Lintian does not yet like httpd as a section, but I guess you will
> not reject an upload just because I listened to you ;-)

Lintian is waiting for the d-d-a post saying that the new section changes
have been implemented, FWIW.

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