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"Rondal" 02-14-2009 10:50 AM

AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
 
Hi,

> UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
> block it's inclusion in a Debian release.

I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
but thats it.

Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
within
their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.

Thank you!
Stefan


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William Pitcock 02-16-2009 02:00 AM

AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
 
Hi,

On Sat, 2009-02-14 at 12:50 +0100, Rondal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
> > block it's inclusion in a Debian release.
>
> I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
> see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
> I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
> but thats it.
>
> Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
> within
> their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.

Carsten Munk has specifically requested that UnrealIRCd not be included
in Debian, and will likely be hostile towards it's inclusion.

Secondly, UnrealIRCd uses OpenSSL for SSL support, and non DFSG-free
versions of the MD5 algorithm for hostcloaking. Both of these DFSG
violations would be required for inclusion into Debian, as they are also
a GPL license violation.

There is also questions concerning why you would want to package
something that has effectively a dead upstream, and many code flaws
which could result in security issues in the future.

William

Giacomo Catenazzi 02-16-2009 05:56 AM

AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
 
Rondal wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
>> block it's inclusion in a Debian release.
>
> I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
> see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
> I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
> but thats it.
>
> Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
> within
> their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.

IIRC unrealircd will pass to inspiricd sources, so I recommend you to
evantually pack only the "develpement" version.

ciao
cate


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Patrick Schoenfeld 02-16-2009 06:37 AM

AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
 
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 09:00:22PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
> There is also questions concerning why you would want to package
> something that has effectively a dead upstream, and many code flaws
> which could result in security issues in the future.

Uh? Since when is Unrealircd dead upstream? I wouldn't call a release
less then a month ago "dead upstream", regardless of what can be
said about unrealircd otherwise.

Regards,
Patrick


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William Pitcock 02-16-2009 09:36 PM

AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
 
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 07:56 +0100, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
> Rondal wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >> UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
> >> block it's inclusion in a Debian release.
> >
> > I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
> > see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
> > I already said that their license is incompatible with the OpenSSL license
> > but thats it.
> >
> > Please be a little bit more specific. If I missed something important
> > within
> > their license or code, I will gladly reconsider building this package.
>
> IIRC unrealircd will pass to inspiricd sources, so I recommend you to
> evantually pack only the "develpement" version.

That effort is dead. UnrealIRCd itself is basically a walking zombie. We
don't need this in Debian -- it is more trouble than it is worth.

William

William Pitcock 02-17-2009 01:36 AM

AW: Bug#515130: ITP: unrealircd -- Unreal IRC Server
 
On Mon, 2009-02-16 at 08:37 +0100, Patrick Schoenfeld wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 09:00:22PM -0600, William Pitcock wrote:
> > There is also questions concerning why you would want to package
> > something that has effectively a dead upstream, and many code flaws
> > which could result in security issues in the future.
>
> Uh? Since when is Unrealircd dead upstream? I wouldn't call a release
> less then a month ago "dead upstream", regardless of what can be
> said about unrealircd otherwise.

Once 3.2.8 final is out the door, it will be stagnant. "Syzop" has a
fairly large slacker attitude, and is only interested in Unreal for the
money (oops, it doesn't make any for him anymore. especially not now
with InspIRCd).

As such, we can call Unreal dead now, barring some miracle -- but I
don't see this happening with next generation ircd picking up steam like
InspIRCd - which cater to that same market of IRC admin which would be
interested in Unreal.

William


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