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Old 09-23-2008, 06:47 PM
Máirín Duffy
 
Default Education on image licensing and freedom

Hi folks,

Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over
copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of

externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what
licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork?

What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any?

I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with
respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the
following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]:



# All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License
Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have
not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us
to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora
and other Fedora projects.

>

# Submissions must respect artwork
licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other
people, please make sure the license of the original work you
incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating
any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed
with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make
sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with
a CC Attribution clause.)


Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or
expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme
process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)?


Here are some of my proposals at making our licensing policies more clear:

1) Have a written statement our wiki's upload form [2] that you agree
that you are uploading content that belongs to you and you are licensing
to Fedora under the CLA or that belongs to someone else and you have
permission to upload it under a Fedora-appropriate license;


2) Maybe we could do some kind of comic strip on image licensing and
link to it from our front Artwork wiki page and also post it to planet
Fedora. We could use Nicu's templates If there are common questions /
confusions that you have about licenses, let me know and we can come up
with a list of topics for the comic to address.


3) We should require references to any source images used in proposed
themes, including author, URL of where the image
was acquired, and its license. I know it can be hard to keep track and
get in the way of the creative process, but I also think it's really
important to avoid this situation in the future and have some insurance
in case some questions come up later.


I like how Michael posted the texture source photo on his Neon proposal
page [3]. Maybe we should require a source mediawiki gallery page for
each theme proposal? It might be cool after each theme process is over
to then aggregate all the source images used in one area of the wik.
We'll then have a built-in stock gallery of properly-licensed images for
future projects.


I think making this a base requirement for a theme submission to proceed
through the rounds process will ensure that submitters fill it out. As
part of the submission promotion process, maybe one or two of us could
volunteer to be theme 'nannies' and verify the source references in
order for it to proceed forward. I also think making it a part of the
process will perhaps come off as less confrontational as it has been
interpreted here.




What do you think? Is there anything else you can think of to make our
licensing policies more clear and easier-to-follow?


~m



[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Fedora_Artwork_Guidelines
[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload
[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2

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Old 09-23-2008, 07:01 PM
Klaatu
 
Default Education on image licensing and freedom

The rules and licensing issues were clear to me when I joined a few months ago.

I think a quick reference guide on what is ok to use and what is not ok to use might be a good idea, though, just because i think everyone must get a little confused from time to time about what combination of magic letters (CC-SA-BY, CC-SA-ND, CC-BY-ND-WTF etc) = free.


All in all, the third option makes sense to me.* Whether one agrees with it or not, we have to deal with licensing and "ownership" of images.* And whether you're doing graphic design, or filmmaking, or music with sampling...you have to keep track of what your sources are, and you have to be responsible for them.


-klaatu



On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Máirín Duffy <duffy@fedoraproject.org> wrote:

Hi folks,



Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of

externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what

licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork?



What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any?



I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]:




# All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License

Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have

not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us

to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora

and other Fedora projects.


>


# Submissions must respect artwork

licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other

people, please make sure the license of the original work you

incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating

any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed

with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make

sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with

a CC Attribution clause.)




Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)?



Here are some of my proposals at making our licensing policies more clear:



1) Have a written statement our wiki's upload form [2] that you agree that you are uploading content that belongs to you and you are licensing to Fedora under the CLA or that belongs to someone else and you have permission to upload it under a Fedora-appropriate license;




2) Maybe we could do some kind of comic strip on image licensing and link to it from our front Artwork wiki page and also post it to planet Fedora. We could use Nicu's templates If there are common questions / confusions that you have about licenses, let me know and we can come up with a list of topics for the comic to address.




3) We should require references to any source images used in proposed themes, including author, URL of where the image

was acquired, and its license. I know it can be hard to keep track and get in the way of the creative process, but I also think it's really important to avoid this situation in the future and have some insurance in case some questions come up later.




I like how Michael posted the texture source photo on his Neon proposal page [3]. Maybe we should require a source mediawiki gallery page for each theme proposal? It might be cool after each theme process is over to then aggregate all the source images used in one area of the wik. We'll then have a built-in stock gallery of properly-licensed images for future projects.




I think making this a base requirement for a theme submission to proceed through the rounds process will ensure that submitters fill it out. As part of the submission promotion process, maybe one or two of us could volunteer to be theme 'nannies' and verify the source references in order for it to proceed forward. I also think making it a part of the process will perhaps come off as less confrontational as it has been interpreted here.








What do you think? Is there anything else you can think of to make our licensing policies more clear and easier-to-follow?



~m







[1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork#Fedora_Artwork_Guidelines

[2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload

[3] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Neon#Round_2



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Old 09-23-2008, 08:04 PM
Luya Tshimbalanga
 
Default Education on image licensing and freedom

Klaatu a écrit :
> The rules and licensing issues were clear to me when I joined a few
> months ago.
>
> I think a quick reference guide on what is ok to use and what is not
> ok to use might be a good idea, though, just because i think everyone
> must get a little confused from time to time about what combination of
> magic letters (CC-SA-BY, CC-SA-ND, CC-BY-ND-WTF etc) = free.
>
> All in all, the third option makes sense to me. Whether one agrees
> with it or not, we have to deal with licensing and "ownership" of
> images. And whether you're doing graphic design, or filmmaking, or
> music with sampling...you have to keep track of what your sources are,
> and you have to be responsible for them.
>
+1 speaking as graphic designer in training.


Luya

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Old 09-23-2008, 08:31 PM
"David Nielsen"
 
Default Education on image licensing and freedom

2008/9/23 Máirín Duffy <duffy@fedoraproject.org>

Hi folks,



Did any of you joining the art team have doubts/questions/confusion over copyright law and licensing as it pertains to the usage of

externally-sourced images used in artwork? Were you unsure of what

licenses were acceptable to use in Fedora artwork?



What kinds of questions / uncertainties did you have, if any?



I think we may need to get better at making clear our expectations with respect to sourced image licensing. For some time now, we have had the following statement on the main artwork wiki page [1]:




# All contributions must be covered by the Contributor License

Agreement . We cannot accept contributions from individuals who have

not signed the CLA in the Fedora Account System . The CLA allows us

to properly license artwork submissions for distribution with Fedora

and other Fedora projects.


>


# Submissions must respect artwork

licensing. If your submissions consist of artwork created by other

people, please make sure the license of the original work you

incorporate is compatible with Fedora and that you are not violating

any of the provisions of its license. Just because a work is licensed

with a Creative Commons license does not mean it is free to use (make

sure you provide attribution to artists that license their work with

a CC Attribution clause.)




Are there any issues with this text? Does it need to be modified or expanded to be made more clear? Should it be copied to every main theme process page (eg /Artwork/F10Themes)?
Overall I think it's fine, maybe the wiki could supplement with a few simple examples of do and don'ts, such as:


* Unsure about source licensing terms, don't use it.
* Unable to document source licensing terms, don't use it.
*
It's my experience that humans often respond better to such guidelines, the above is great from a legal stance but it does not always mean the human mind thinks through all the possible scenerios.


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